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The relevant section is blunt. “The Software is licensed to you, not sold,” the EULA states. “You are granted a limited, non-exclusive, non-transferable, and personal license to play or use the Software for your private, non-commercial use on the system or device it was intended for.”
The terms also restrict renting, modifying, or obtaining games through unauthorised means. Nothing in there is new, technically. Sony’s EULA has always said this. The timing is what makes it land differently right now.
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if buying isn’t owning the piracy isn’t stealing.
no way this is not gonna backfire for them somehow or somewho
Steam users: First time?
It says “limited” but does not define what limited is, so you legally paid for nothing guaranteed. You just give them money but they are obligated to give you nothing.
The only solace is at least the majority of AAA games coming out now are so ass that i don’t want them anyway.
Should change the “buy” button to “rent”
Pretty much all software EULA’s are like this. Anything you “buy a license for” certainly. Same as it ever was.
Shortly after announcing that there won’t be anything else soon.
I don’t get this you never owned your games even when buying a disc. The disc gave you a license to play the game.
Nobody was coming to take the disc away from you after the online store shut down
The only solace is at least the majority of AAA games coming out now are so ass that i don’t want them anyway.
AS A CONSUMER YOU MAY HAVE RIGHTS UNDER APPLICABLE LOCAL LAWS THAT CANNOT BE EXCLUDED, LIMITED OR CHANGED. THOSE RIGHTS TAKE PRIORITY OVER ANYTHING IN THESE TERMS.
So they’re saying we should write to our law making representatives and have that changed?
Sounds like a fucking great idea to me.
Yeah, first you have to have representatives that write laws in your favor.
Or have enough money to
bribelobby for laws in your favorMaybe write to them with certain unidentified substances enclosed first
Just a reminder the Venn diagram of the G*mers spouting the “piracy isn’t stealing” and “valve is one of the good monopolies” and “support Palworld because fuck Nintendo” is a perfect circle
Valve had a massive hand in killing off physical PC releases and the sizable market of digital distribution.
There were so many different platforms out there. Some that didn’t involve having to install a third party launcher to play physical discs. IGN even had one.
Valve killed them with the same exclusivity deals you G*mer troglodytes bitch and moan about with Epic.
How is Valve a monopoly?
It isn’t, it is, and I don’t care about the third thing.
it is
I bet you support Stop Killing Games don’t you?
If buying isn’t owning, piracy isn;t theft.
If you pirate the games, you actually own them and they can’t take them away from you. Funny how that works.
“Within their legal toolbox to take them” and “practical ability to take them” are wildly different.
Actually, they can take them away.
They don’t have enough tanks
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I’d like to see them try that.
If buying isn’t owning, then piracy isn’t stealing.
What is piracy then?
It’s definitely stealing. I don’t understand why people on here can’t admit it to themselves.
My guess is people here think that stealing is wrong, no matter what. They also think that piracy is moral. Because of that, they incorrectly deduce that piracy isn’t stealing.
Look up any definition of stealing, and it always boils down to: taking something that you don’t have permission to take.
No, this isn’t limited to physical items. Companies steal our data all the time.
I think people need to shift from “Piracy isn’t stealing” to “Fuck the corps, they don’t wanna play fair I’ll steal their shit and they won’t see a penny”
The argument goes that stealing involves taking something from someone, whearas pirating produces a copy. If you take someone’s car, they don’t have a car anymore, but copy their game and now you both have one.
That said, I don’t think it follows from “buying isn’t owning” that “piracy isn’t stealing”. Its a pithy slogan that captures a mood, but I don’t think it really makes sense.
Your position, I believe, is more coherent: “I don’t care if it is stealing”. It might not technically be stealing, but its a breach of the terms of the sale that you tacitly agreed to when buying.
Something similar can be said for adblocking. People argue that it is “stealing” because there is a breach of the terms of use, and the ads fund the content. It might not really technically be stealing, but it is simpler to just say “I don’t care what it is, I don’t feel bad for giant corporations”. You can also say this about shoplifting.
What buying was supposed to be: owning
But you’ve never owned movies or games. Purchasing let’s go really far back VHS gave you a license to watch the movie. Always has been this way.
Coming from that era myself, buying a VHS tape absolutely gave you ownership of that copy of the movie. Same with music, which is why homemade mixtapes were such a popular and permitted thing.
Studios didn’t like it, but no one went after the guy with the little vinyl briefcase of 100 different mixtapes for every sort of occasion.
And if buying isnt owning, that means you’re paying 70+ dollars to rent a game that can be taken away from you at any time… with no refund or recourse.
Would anyone be stupid enough to rent a game for 70+ dollars? especially under those conditions?
Open sourcing of operational licenses.
