Semblance. Are you saying that there are literally no privacy features? Privacy is a sliding scale, don’t gatekeep some certain level of privacy as “legitimate” and call everything else below that line fake, that’s disingenuous.
Compared to Google, Microsoft, etc, they are more respecting of privacy than other big tech companies.
Yes because they’re sooooo transparent about how they handle you data. And they’ve NEVER lied before riiiiight?
It’s not that they’re fake for not being private enough, they’re fake because of their long history of dishonesty and deceptive marketing. Or would you like to ask them what “current competing hardware” means on their next press release chart?
Apple was a cult of personality run by a snake oil salesman until jobs died. Now it’s a shell of that, run by a board of investors. Why do people on communities like this, an ostensibly ant-capitalist community, still feel the need to defend them? It’s always so weird to me.
Again, just because you have some issues does not mean they are not more privacy focused than companies like Google. Last I checked, Google reads your emails to use in ads which they also sell. Apple does neither. I’m not going to go down the list tit for tat, it’s well established.
Also, privacy and capitalism are not mutually exclusive…? You can get support for privacy across many different backgrounds.
I don’t trust them. Point blank. I don’t trust that they do or don’t do what they claim. They have been caught in bald faced lies numerous times before.
I’m not saying Google is better, I’m just calling bullshit on their claim of privacy. I don’t believe for a second that they aren’t monetizing your data and just calling it some newspeak term they made up to weasel out of admitting it.
With that mindset you can’t even open a bank account or do any other daily business. Or can you? Why trust those contracts but not Apple or Google’s?
Google is quite specific how they’re using your private data, and Apple as well. You can look into the contract and choose.
Meta has their scandal and has proven untrustworthy. Zuck very first known comments from Facebook success shows how he dismisses his users as idiots. But Google? They were even explicit when they were fine with evil.
And Apple at least has a plausible business concept to not automatically assume they must lie. So, what’s the reason other than “they might lie”, which applies to your bank and doctors as well?
There’s a difference between “anyone might lie” and “these people who have repeatedly lied to me in the past at every opportunity are definitely lying to me again”
Are you trying to say you didn’t think apple had been caught lying? I don’t think I have the energy to actually go and find an the class actions they’ve lost, but I’ve gotten money from them like 8 times already over them.
I didn’t say Google was better, I DEFINITELY didn’t say meta was better. I just said apple isn’t trustworthy. And here we are, with you trying to defend them WEEKS later. Why?
Doesn’t mean they actually follow through with them.
For apple, them saying they are privacy-friendly is nothing more than marketing. What happens behind the scenes we can’t know because they aren’t transparent. They are already using your data to recommend you their services. And now they will do so to train their AI.
Simplest way to delete their userbase. They’re the last big Tech company that still has a semblance of respect for user privacy, if any.
No semblance, only a facade
Semblance. Are you saying that there are literally no privacy features? Privacy is a sliding scale, don’t gatekeep some certain level of privacy as “legitimate” and call everything else below that line fake, that’s disingenuous.
Compared to Google, Microsoft, etc, they are more respecting of privacy than other big tech companies.
Yes because they’re sooooo transparent about how they handle you data. And they’ve NEVER lied before riiiiight?
It’s not that they’re fake for not being private enough, they’re fake because of their long history of dishonesty and deceptive marketing. Or would you like to ask them what “current competing hardware” means on their next press release chart?
Apple was a cult of personality run by a snake oil salesman until jobs died. Now it’s a shell of that, run by a board of investors. Why do people on communities like this, an ostensibly ant-capitalist community, still feel the need to defend them? It’s always so weird to me.
Again, just because you have some issues does not mean they are not more privacy focused than companies like Google. Last I checked, Google reads your emails to use in ads which they also sell. Apple does neither. I’m not going to go down the list tit for tat, it’s well established.
Also, privacy and capitalism are not mutually exclusive…? You can get support for privacy across many different backgrounds.
I don’t trust them. Point blank. I don’t trust that they do or don’t do what they claim. They have been caught in bald faced lies numerous times before.
I’m not saying Google is better, I’m just calling bullshit on their claim of privacy. I don’t believe for a second that they aren’t monetizing your data and just calling it some newspeak term they made up to weasel out of admitting it.
Why do you feel the need to defend them?
Fine, you don’t trust them to keep a contract.
With that mindset you can’t even open a bank account or do any other daily business. Or can you? Why trust those contracts but not Apple or Google’s?
Google is quite specific how they’re using your private data, and Apple as well. You can look into the contract and choose.
Meta has their scandal and has proven untrustworthy. Zuck very first known comments from Facebook success shows how he dismisses his users as idiots. But Google? They were even explicit when they were fine with evil.
And Apple at least has a plausible business concept to not automatically assume they must lie. So, what’s the reason other than “they might lie”, which applies to your bank and doctors as well?
There’s a difference between “anyone might lie” and “these people who have repeatedly lied to me in the past at every opportunity are definitely lying to me again”
Are you trying to say you didn’t think apple had been caught lying? I don’t think I have the energy to actually go and find an the class actions they’ve lost, but I’ve gotten money from them like 8 times already over them.
I didn’t say Google was better, I DEFINITELY didn’t say meta was better. I just said apple isn’t trustworthy. And here we are, with you trying to defend them WEEKS later. Why?
They just pretend to be.
So what? Google also has privacy features.
Doesn’t mean they actually follow through with them.
For apple, them saying they are privacy-friendly is nothing more than marketing. What happens behind the scenes we can’t know because they aren’t transparent. They are already using your data to recommend you their services. And now they will do so to train their AI.
At least Google is open about it.
Apple respects privacy so much that they even operate in China. Google doesn’t want to operate in china because they hate privacy.
They know people lack better alternatives, since all the other tech companies are doing the same.
Yes, I’d imagine that would remove the incentive to stay within the ecosystem.
They also know people don’t care, because they continue patronizing those companies.
apple users will eat it up because “whoa look the ai is so much better now that it knows everything about me 😮😮😮”