āWestern orderā to me means Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, East Timor, Iraq, Afghanistan, colonialism, the silent holocaust (the one in guatemala), Guantanamo bay, Pinochet, the genocide in Palestine, Yemen, Libya, Somalia, Iran, etc. The author mentions āwestern orderā as though itās a good thing. Itās not. Not saying we should all ally with Putin, but I really donāt consider what we, the west, have done to the world a good thing.
Thatās what bothers me about people calling him a ātraitorā. A traitor to what? Global US imperialism? Massacres of school children, bombing weddings, hospitals? Long before Trump the US has been a murderous racist thug stalking the earth like a demon.
Not a lot of people learn that kind of history. Iām meeting gen z kids who barely know Iraq even happened. One million dead, based on a lie, and it takes one generation to completely forget it.
Thatās because orange donny wants to be emperor of the western hemisphere while pootin wants to be emperor of the eastern hemisphere.
Did anyone think donny and pootin were no longer friends? After pootin put donny in the white house twice and is working on his third term now?
Seriously?
Meh, the best pootin could accomplish is emperor of the center. Eastern is and always was Chinaās
Literally everyone but China disagrees with that last bit and have fought several wars to prove it.
They may disagree with the idea of it but the reality is that China has full power to dominate their sphere of influence if they choose and no other single nation has the means to stop them.
Good. āWesternā is a code for white supremacy. This rag is zionist trash. The author is right-wing. Fuck nationalism. Fuck imperialism.
Now? Heās made it clear where he was heading since last year.
Publicly on display since 2018, canāt forget Trump siding with Putin over his own intelligence serviceā¦just shameful.
we have apparently forgotten many, many things
Traitor Trump doesnāt speak for the American people anymore than Putin the Poisoner speaks for the Russians. Put them both in a room and let everyone they have wronged have a go at them for all I care. They are just puppets for the wealthy.
People voted for this person to become President of the United States.
Analysis: For Trump, results have often revealed the art of no deal https://apnews.com/article/trump-deals-negotiating-style-russia-iran-apprentice-6776621902cf44c1cec9a13fc6a8cd78
Iām not so sure this will last after daffy duck has flown away.
Duck season?
Wabbit season.
daffy duck might fly away to Russia so that spy Elmer āVladimirā Fudd can hide him away with Steven Seagal and Gerard Depardieu.
The so called American experiment is over. The result proved to be no different. The nature of humanity is perpetually fighting for freedoms.
Their superpower was not their military or their economy. It was the mythology that they were exceptional people and the modern exemplar of democracy. For a while much of the world was to believing too.
Canadaās PM Carney said it well. The world put up with them out of convenience.
The Americans took that tolerance as a compliment on their brash attitude. They couldnāt adapt when reality diverged from the mythology. Half of them are coping by following the traitor into oblivion. Half of them are insistent reality will return to their mythological storyline.
It was over when it started. The founding fucks idea of liberty was simply those with the money make the rules and donāt have to follow them. The so called American experiment has been a great success for the wealthy. You are just confused by propaganda that it was ever about anything else.
The real news is the rot that exists in the US exists in every country. You can point, cry, rage, etc all you want about the US but it is coming to your country unless you have policies in place to reverse the wealth gap.
Remember Article 3 section 3. https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/article-3/section-3/
Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.
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America isnāt like this because Trump is president
Trump is president because America is like this
America is most certainly NOT an ally of Russia. Only that traitorous coward and his administration is.
The majority of conservatives now support Russia. There are still some conservatives that havenāt gotten on board yet, but they will fall in line as they are not known for splitting the party.
And America isnāt entirely made up of republicans.
I, unfortunately, live in a red state. I am surrounded by conservatives. I grew up in the Seattle area so I know you are correct, but it doesnāt feel that way where I live.
Well, facts would say otherwise.
I didnāt vote for, nor do I support trump. Therefore. Your āfactsā are already wrong as ALL of America is only represented by the entirely of it. And while I live here, I am represented.
And in the event that my omission alone is not enough of an example for you to understand that some ā all, by my math, roughly 272,358,341 people of the 349,660,921 citizens in this county didnāt vote for him either.
So maybe you should start the process of changing your āfactsā to fit reality.
That is a meaningless distinction.
You donāt get to tell others whatās meaningless to them. If it is meaningless to you, then stay out of it.
Not to those of us that want nothing to do with fascists and dictators.
That traitorous coward is the leader of America. So yes, it is.
Heās the leader of MAGA. He doesnāt represent America. This is a very important and distinct difference that one who is capable of nuanced thought would easily understand.
LOL anyone capable of nuanced thought would absolutely understand that the President of The United States of America 100% represents America.
Except that not only is that the antithesis of how a federal system works but do you really think that all the tribes support this just as one for instance? Being a tribal member I can just tell you that we donāt and he has been trying to undo our citizenship since day one because of it. What about all the places in the US that canāt vote for the president? Iām not totally sure you understand what the word nuanced actually means.
that not only is that the antithesis of how a federal system works
What in the world are you talking about? Every leader of every region in the world represents their people, regardless of what any of those people think of them. Thatās why theyāre called ārepresentativesā. Thatās exactly how that works.
President Xi doesnāt come to the US and meet with Barack Obama, because he doesnāt represent America, and canāt make decisions for them.
What in the world are you talking about? You seem to be completely forgetting how many times state governors meet with world leaders just like the leader of Germany would.
Would you say that Gavin Newsom doesnāt represent California because Trump exists?
The federal system is literally designed such that the head of the EU isnāt the only person representing interests in the EU and the US is exactly the same way. To say that Trump represents the whole of the US is a childish oversimplification at best.
You seem to be completely forgetting how many times state governors meet with world leaders
Remind me, which state is Obama the governor of?
Would you say that Gavin Newsom doesnāt represent California because Trump exists?
ā¦huh? Newsom represents the state of California. Trump represents the country of America.
To say that Trump represents the whole of the US is a childish oversimplification at best.
To say that he doesnāt is just extremely ignorant. I donāt even know how to go about explaining this. Heās the President of the USA. Itās literally the only thing he does is represent America.
So you think that every German in the 1930-1940ās were racist Jew-hating jack-booted authoritarians?
Clearly, you are not one of those people that are capable of nuanced thought. Therefore, IMHO, I think youāre probably going to be useless to any discussion I might find myself in. Soā¦. Blocked.
Learn how to be a better person. Like me, the rest of the world wonāt wait for you.
This is so pathetic.
Someone tells you a hard truth and you just block them.
Iām sorry to tell you that youāre going to need to block pretty much anyone who is not American, or a Russian bot, because anyone paying attention agrees with the guy you just blocked.
look at where we are. Do you think I expect people to agree with me?
Iām not here to argue color with the colorblind. Iām just staring reality. You know, that thing that is too often suspend to support the hive here??
So you think that every German in the 1930-1940ās were racist Jew-hating jack-booted authoritarians?
Of course not, but if you answered on your history test that Hitler didnāt represent Germany, you would flunk. These are not the same thing. Clearly you are not one of those people capable of nuanced thought. Learn how to be a more educated person.
Find another word than nuanced, youāre embarrassing yourself regardless of being right or wrong.
Its @pratai@piefed.ca that keeps talking about nuance, not @artyom@piefed.social
Did the ones that werenāt matter? Did they keep the war from happening or keep millions from being killed in camps? So yeah, he doesnāt represent me or my beliefs, but he sure as shit has been able to order the deaths and deportations of thousands. To deny that influence because not everyone in the u.s. agrees is just silly.
Blaming an entire nation on the lunacy of its leader isnāt helpful in ANY way. Do better.
What are you, as a nation, going to do about the lunacy of your leader?
The last decade has demonstrated that your entire nation is incapable of doing anything at all, to your great shame.
The stench of your inaction will linger across the globe for decades.
"We are only hundreds of millions of people here! What could we possibly do?!
āWe tried nothing and are all out of ideas.ā
A result of the push towards the imperial presidency.
Thanks Obama.
Sarcasm, in this economy? You are braver than I thought.
Oh only smooth brain Dems and memory holed liberals would take that for sarcasm.
It was a subject of intense debate during the Obama administration, and like every thing this current administration takes for granted in their authoritarian sweep, the basic infrastructure for those actions was installed by under Democratic administrations, or at least neoliberal/ administrations.
This was the debate we were having, and liberals of the time were largely fine with the role of the presidency, because it was there team in charge. I strongly recommend this old episode because exactly this problem was being discussed almost 15 years ago. And if you donāt have a problem with it when itās a Democrat doing it, you donāt have a problem with it.
Intelligence Squared debate: ## Has The President Usurped The Constitutional Power Of Congress?
Even if you disagree and you think Trump is a mushroom that popped out of the soil in the night, you should watch or listen to the above debate.
that fuckin guy coudnāt lead a tour of his own house.
And yetā¦
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And who didnāt?
Twice. Fucking TWICE!
And since the first time that bag of rancid gonorrhoea was elected thereās been:
An insurrection.
A bunch of court cases that ended with convicted felonies.
A successful rape trial, and payout.
A raid because a lorry load of top secret documents were stolenā¦ AND then stored in an unlocked room next to a fax machine. A FUCKING FAX MACHINE.
A blatant attempt to flood a server area which held the CCTV footage.
A confession about showing said documents to a journalist (I think), plus other people.And those are just the bullet points I can quickly think of of easily proven corruption and illegality. But thereās more. So much more.
So, yeah, if a country elects a disgusting thing like that again and again then Iām believing itās what they want.And people think the two candidates are the same.
āItās the systems fault, not mine! I had no reasonable choice! Damn them all! Iām the victim here!ā - sitouts justifying their role in 2024
Smfh
What an article.
Consider what the American president just told the entire world: Please donāt interfere in my relationship with a murderous dictator, or he might help the country that Americaās men and women in uniform are fighting at this very moment. The leader of the most powerful nation on the planetāyes, thatās still the United States right nowāis trying to get everyone else, including the American Congress, to avoid antagonizing Putin, instead of warning Putin not to even think about aiding Iran.
As always, The Atlanticās solution to every situation is to be more aggressive and militaristic. A more sane version of this article would be criticizing Trump for starting the war in Iran to begin with. But The Atlantic jizzes their pants over the war because theyād been dreaming about it for ages.
The author seems to be struggling here with the concept that Superman does not exist. The US, like any country, has a limited ability to throw itās weight around. This is exactly why sanctions on Russia didnāt work and were never going to work, because they just sold their oil through India and China, and China was never going to cooperate on sanctions while we were antagonizing them in a pointless trade war. āFull aggression on every front,ā the dream of every Atlantic writer, only has the effect of spreading the US thin and weakening its ability to apply real pressure anywhere.
The irony here is that Trump is overextending the US and trying to be in too many places at once, by starting the Iran War. Most ordinary people, including many on the right, oppose the war for that reason. But The Atlantic is so committed to full aggression everywhere that they somehow find a way to argue Trump isnāt overextending enough. And, naturally, their objection seems to primarily be that itās undignified to acknowledge these limitations, rather than framing things around any actual human cost.
A world in which the White House is allied to the Kremlin was, until now, the stuff of paranoid fiction. Manchurian candidates and red presidents were fantasies, dark tales that Americans told themselves, like ghost stories around a campfire. But this alliance now exists. If Stalin and his Cold War successors could see what Trump and Putin have created, and how the mighty United States has been humbled and humiliated, they might think that their evil hopes were not wrong, but only that they dreamed them too early.
This whole framing of it being an āallianceā because the US stopped sanctioning them is patently absurd. Is the US āalliedā with every country itās not currently sanctioning? Words mean things.
But whatās especially ironic about this part is that the USSR, under Stalin, was literally part of āThe Allies,ā during WWII. The US traded with the Soviets, fought on the same side against a common enemy, sent them military aid, coordinated on military strategy, etc. Why would Stalin consider it particularly remarkable, even if the US had entered an actual alliance with the Russian Federation? Thatās also completely dismissing the whole history of the collapse of the USSR and the US involvement in establishing the Russian Federation in the first place. Itās just stupid.
By the way, why did the US ally with Stalin? Was it because FDR secretly agreed with him, ideologically? Or was it because the US was aware of itās material limitations and made the correct decision to focus on one problem at a time, instead of maximum aggression towards everyone at once? If this guy had been in charge back then, weād all be speaking German.
Even after WWII, throughout the Cold War, the US traded with the USSR. The US also signed treaties and agreements such as SALT. And whenever it did, there were plenty of these insane, warmongering reactionaries, like the author, who pushed the exact same kinds of exaggerated rhetoric about how the politicians responsible were being controlled or manipulated by the Kremlin. These extremist nutjobs want the same thing they always have, a future where when the dust settles thereās two Americans left and one Russian, so they can call it a āvictory.ā
he may well believe that some janky diesel deal with Russia will alleviate high fuel prices in the United States. (It will not, although it will certainly help some Russian companies.)
Honestly I just love this line, the cherry on top of the whole piece. āIt will not,ā zero elaboration whatsoever. Reminds me of this classic Onion article. Why would making oil more directly accessible, instead of shipping it to China or India first, not lower fuel prices? Even if thereās some reason why it wouldnāt, why isnāt it included in the article? Itās just unprofessional.
It seems that the author included that line because heās concerned that people will care more about fuel prices than the rest of his arguments, and heās concerned such people might agree with Trump. But how on earth do you paint yourself into such a corner, in your own article, that youāre left baselessly asserting, āit wonāt,ā regarding Trump and fuel prices? Donald Trump is solely, directly responsible for prices soaring, on account of his pointless, failed war of aggression against Iran.
But again, no one at The Atlantic wants to frame things in those terms, because they just love war so damn much.
Republicans have been favoring Russia for well over a decade and more like 15 years at this point. Thatās another line Democrats really havenāt crossed.
Itās not an American thing, itās a Republican thing, and Republicans are not America, although they represent around half.
That said, Russia is fighting Cold War II and weāre not even aware, so they are wildly winning. Much moreso than in Ukraine, an actual āhotā war.
Did you forget when they all had Ukraine signs and stickers? Right up until he said one good thing about Putin then bam supporting Ukraine is woke.
Conservatives see the current liberal democratic world order and think itās a degenerate failure of civilization. Many reasons for this but it can be summed up as āracism and culture war bullshit.ā
They will literally side with Russia to destroy it if they are given an opportunity.
Edit: It is my uneducated prediction that we will provide to Russia: military intelligence within the next few months, raw materials and/or dual-use tech in Q1-Q2 2027, and major weapons systems by the end of 2027.
Oh I totally believe we already are and have been for quite some time.
Well, america doesnāt seem to care enough about it.
