I’d say “Doomer” is the perfect term to describe the assholes who think “Politics don’t affect me personally, so why should I even consider?” or “Both sides are crap, choosing is just chickening out”.
You know the kind of pessimistic irascible assholes you find on Twitter or 4Chan or even Kiwi Farms who doesn’t care what you want to express online.
bOtH sIdEs are crap, but you must pick your favorite turd.
It’s not pessimistic, friend, it’s realistic. Why ever would you expect our political system to stop being as it has been for our lifetime? It’s just dumb. You can work for change, but some cynicism is healthy.
I’m politically active, I’ve run for office, volunteered, and vote in every election.
Re those who want to stay uninvolved, you’re just going to have to deal with it. Some people are taking care of their sick parents. Some are raising crazy kids. Some are fighting mental illness. Some are working three jobs. They’re doing their best, if you don’t like it you can lump it.
Both sides… As in, woke and anti woke?
So nazis wanting to kill minorities, are the same as people defending life, minorities, and freedom?
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Antidisestablishmentarianist
Why do you need to label everything?
You’re such an anti-labelist
Privileged? You have to be a certain kind to person (ie, not marginalised) to be able to ignore politics
Or captive. Or ignorant. You can be captive to a cult, or domineering person, or just so ignorant or intellectually challenged you literally don’t know these ideas exist in their proper context and why.
I know someone that is all of those.
Tired.
Child
Cunt works nicely
Probably some flavour of anti-woke.
You described people who are anti-woke and the question is whether they’re also anti-anti-woke.
Ungrammatical
Confused
Well you may wish to dismiss them, but its not unreasonable position for someone to take. Some people may genuinely believe the woke / anti woke argument is an irrelevance and distracting from more important issues. In fact that nay be the whole point - a distraction from the rest of the mess.
Similarly in the US, saying both sides are crap and disengaging reflects the state of the US political system. Two parties have corrupted the system in their favour for decades. Its a nonsense to believe politics fits neatly into one camp or the other. And its a nonsense to say everyone must choose one or the other or they’re in the wrong.
When your only option in an election is voting for whichever party is the lesser evil, its no longer a democracy. And its unsurprising that people dont want to waste time talking about the non-choice.
The only way you believe that is how it works, is if you’re already buying into the framing of the “Anti-Woke”, “Anti-Empathy”, Anti-human. You’re imagining a world where it all begins and ends in Republican or Democrat.
I want you to think real hard. Most Democrats, can’t stand each other. There’s like half a dozen different factions, and the only thing that they all agree on, is we should probably not intentionally destroy our lives, homes, and futures, condemn our children to die and ultimately wipe humanity off the face of the Earth. We’re stuck, working with a bunch of idiots who keep undermining every positive thing we try to do, and I will stand with you always to oppose them someday. But right now, we have a bigger problem. Because this isn’t a fight between right and wrong. This is a fight between “Right, Wrong, Good, Bad, and Ugly” vs “The End of Everything”.
You’re right, Democrats aren’t a solution. They’re a stop-gap. They’re a play for time and we have to come up with a better answer in the meantime, because they will fail. Their true policy is they have no real policy because they are such a big tent they have no coherent message. They’re just opposed to ending everything.
So yeah, if you take the Republican framing of this being a clash of two principled, moral, coherent world views, it seems reasonable to say neither of them seem to fix anything. It’s not though. It’s the chaotic mess of everything that might be on one side, vs endless silence on the other.
I think in a lot of ways it’s the right that has made identity political and it works for them really really well especially in a binary political system. The right wing only has to be 1 thing to 1 group of people, while there are 100s of left wings and intersections.
To have a dispassionate conversation about it - they aren’t perfect antonyms. The woke movement and the antiwoke movement don’t oppose precisely the same things and neither of them have a definitive definition any longer, mostly due to the overuse of the terms over a long time.
For example people will use anti-woke unironically but you rarely see anyone use woke genuinely and with passion any more. Infact anyone who does would seem dated and ridiculous now to seriously request without irony to consider being woke.
Cowardly
Curmudgeon, perhaps. Or at least curmudgeonly.
Or choose from something here: https://www.thesaurus.com/browse/curmudgeon
Among those, “crank” stands out. This is usually someone who holds a (often provably) wrong, unconventional or unpopular opinion and insists that their way is the right way and that everyone else is wrong.
Cranks can be right, which a crank will hold onto dearly and use in their arguments, even if the considerable majority of cranks turn out to have been wrong.
On the other hand, cranks tend to beat their metaphorical drum a lot more than someone who simply refuses to pick a side and keeps their trap shut.
