Hard to argue with. The games people still play twenty years later mostly ran on hardware a phone outruns now; design and solid netcode kept them alive, not teraflops. A PS6 that spends its budget on load times and online play that just works would be the upgrade people actually notice.
Honestly, it’s rare these days, but I think I completely agree with him. I can see why we had an iterative console cycle up through the PS4, but even the PS5 felt partly unnecessary. There’s still games that occasionally release on PS4 because the game doesn’t strictly need amazing power.
The Xbox One X vs the Series S is an example of “newer vs stronger”. On some levels the One X has more power, but the S uses newer technology, and each console has some tradeoffs. There’s probably value in finding more innovations like that.
I do think it’s unlikely we’ll see a big new wave of games that only release on “the new system”. The install base is huge now, and the rationale for locking people off just isn’t there. People’s current systems display games at the “graphical plateau” - where there’s just not much return on investment for more graphical power.
Then why the fuck would anyone buy one over a PS5?
🌈 exclusives 🌈
and of course the shutdown of the store and license validation for ps5
Dont buy a ps5 either
Because Daddy Sony says you have to buy one to play PS6 titles. No technical reasons other than those artificially imposed by the company.
Well at least that would mean they’re releasing some titles, unlike the PS5 generation.
The way things are going, PS6 will be the last PlayStation ever. If it even gets made.
There is zero point to a console without physical games which can also all be run on a PC.
As devil’s advocate; standardising a specific SKU of hardware for Devs to target can be a point to have a console even without physical.
The devil’s devil’s advocate; that can still just be a PC anyway , a-la Steam deck, steam machine, a Mac, or even the next xbox which is rumoured to pretty much just be an Xbox pc.
or even the next xbox which is rumoured to pretty much just be an Xbox pc.
Well that would be something wouldn’t it, seeing Microsoft finally pulling themselves out of this death spiral they’ve been on for the past ten years, by releasing an actual product that people want.
Though I suspect I’ll ruin it by putting loads of ads and unnecessary AI into it.
Let me guess! It won‘t have more power, less power or even the exact same power of the PS5 because it simply won‘t get released.
There is genuinely no point in games consoles anymore. There’s been absolutely bugger all released for the PS5, so why would I buy from Sony again, and now they’re going discless as well.
Seriously, what an absolutely crap generation, all the big releases have been micro transaction loot box BS, or straight up just garbage (often both, see CoD), or genuinely decent games that have also released on the PC. Nothing has been released for the PSVR, and they done barely anything with the adaptive triggers on the controller. If you just go by the amount of innovation this generation has experienced it feels like about 6 months have passed since the console released.
Their butchering of the market for this gen has me fully committed to building a wildly expensive AMD Bazzite PC.
No going back, they just suck.
PC costs up front, but you save in the long run on games if you’re patient and wait for sales. I VERY rarely buy games for more than half price, often 75% off or more. Plus, you get mods.
Exactly. Ans I can find versions stripped of the shit like always online (Hitman) and terrible remake (GTA Collection). I don’t even play online so I can’t wait to be able to enjoy the games fully, no downsides for me other than cost. And I can sell the playstation to cover some of that.
That’s a nice way of saying AMD and Nvidia have abandoned new GPU development.
The one good thing that will come of the hardware shortage is that developers will be forced to create more optimised software and games, or lose sales as a result.
Make it smaller, make it cheaper, do all the things you can around that.
I’m sure they would if they could, but that’s just a new model of a PS5, not a PS6.
It’s more than enough power to build the kind of games all of us want to play.
The ceiling on performance and fidelity is also more than most developers can afford to target.
I’m sure they’re having regular meetings on whether or not to actually go forward with a PS6 in the timeline they were targeting before the RAMpocalypse, because they’re also quite aware of how much of a disaster it’s going to be.
Yeah they might even be thinking to postpone a ps6 and just make another slim ps5 hoping to make it cheaper, like they used to back in previous generations. I feel like the slims that came out this generation were more just there for a refresh rather than aiming to make it significantly cheaper to capture the audience they were unable to with existing prices.
At least if i was in charge, that’s what I’d be advocating for. You want those that never got a ps5, stuck with their ps4 or even ps3 to see the price of a new ps5 and think that it’s now worth the cost. Sadly this would be really hard with the way the hardware manufacturing industry is like at the moment though.
Because it’s a streaming service. Here’s a leaked photo of the announcement
“I think we have enough power in the machine. The innovation needs to come not from making PS6 for $1,200 - it’s to make another PS5 for $300. Now, that would be true innovation,” he explains. Layden’s comments are particularly timely right now as the PS5 and Xbox Series X|S are much more expensive today than they were at launch, six years ago. “This is the first platform that I’ve seen that has gone up in price over time.”
As suggested, this is their setup to sell a console that is completely eviscerated and can only function as a thin client for a cloud game streaming service. They know the AI RAM prices are not going down before they need to refresh the PS5, and also that people will not en masse pay $1,000+ for a locked-down digital-only console.
That’s the only “innovation” that can result in a $300 or so price, so they hope that will change the optics enough for us to own nothing and like it.
A streaming service would run into the same issue, though. In the end, they would need remote high-end GPUs to power the games which are not going to be available to them cheaply enough to justify.
I think they will try to use older hardware (which would potentially fit the handheld idea) and push studios to design around that. He mentions the iterative nature of games which get more and more graphically intense. I’m assuming the thought is to break away from that.
Streaming does help with limited resources as you don’t need a GPU for every person, just every person online. But it does become a balancing act of how do you distribute your GPUs and how many concurrent players do you support.
A streaming service would run into the same issue, though. In the end, they would need remote high-end GPUs to power the games which are not going to be available to them cheaply enough to justify.
Yeah, but it would allow them to bury the cost in a subscription renewal instead of up-front price.
I would agree, but they’ve already done this and pulled the service for lack of subscriptions. This is exactly what PSNow was. They pulled it in 2022 for lack of revenue.
Sony doesn’t need more money.
You can already buy a Switch2 though?
