I have seen some critical views on Nostr as a part of decentralized network discussions, but most seem to be focused on culture not function.

What are the functional / protocol differences that make you prefer ActivityPub over Nostr?

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    10 days ago

    I think you will find that most forums before Digg and Reddit did have rules. There is some revisionism from muh free speech types that seek to redefine them as free speech zones, when many were not.

    Moreover, many clients and apps that were had much smaller userbases.


    The point about the CP here is that you are saying that it would remain technically on the systems you are referring to.

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      10 hours ago

      most forums before Digg and Reddit did have rules

      Usenet certainly didn’t, nor does the web in the grand scale. Enforcement was weak.

      would remain technically on the systems you are referring to

      Nope, it would have to be removed just like always. True of new systems, too.

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        11 hours ago

        Usenet certainly didn’t, nor does the web in the grand scale.

        Many communities that lack rules then and now are spam-infested slopholes.

        Nope, it would have to be removed just like always.

        So would it be mass-removed entirely to the point where no-one could see it no matter what their user settings are?

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      9 days ago

      My understanding is that the content is essentially self-hosted, so content removed from relays still exists on the posting user’s client and can be accessed directly, just like a website sending out RSS. So saying it “still exist on the network” is technically true, but only in the same way that you would say that about say bittorrent or the open web. What people host/post is present raw, what is amplified/“curated”/relayed is filtered. Client settings/config sets default and custom user content interaction, like a browser which can have adblock or not.

      In principle, this seems like a decent solution, but I can see why different users prefer different protocols, differing to moderation takes a burden off of the user to vet inbound content. The same can be achieved via relays but the culture of “curation” seems weaker because the pressure from the userbase is lower to optimize it, as users are not solely reliant on any one relays. An odd network effect, but a truly invested curation/admin team could just as easily build a well “curated” relay as a well moderated instance.

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        10 hours ago

        My understanding is that the content is essentially self-hosted, so content removed from relays still exists on the posting user’s client

        The relays are the hosts, not the clients. The only data the user carries is their unique public-cryptographic key to identify themselves & sign their messages. It’s independent of client or relay, so they can use any at will.

        Curation/moderation doesn’t require relays. It can be done via the proposals/features mentioned before, which is distributed independent of relay.