Vote manipulation is getting more common. Some recent examples:
While the accounts were banned, the malicious voting activity stuck around.
Should admins have the ability to discard votes, and if so, which admins? Should community mods have that ability? Can you think of any ways that tools like this could be abused?
Because it’s treated differently in piefed but still an example of how the software is designed to punish those who do not act the way the creator wants.
It just doesn’t seem like a way to actually address bad faith trolls or bad actors just make it easier to purge. Especially with instances that love to keep those types around, see world and shit just works.
While we are talking, example of a user with the two warnings: https://piefed.zip/u/grimreaper@sopuli.xyz
And here’s an example of a bigger troll who it surprise surprise doesn’t get flagged https://feddit.online/u/FiniteBanjo
Would discard a tool that identifies 90% of trolls just because it doesn’t reach 100% accuracy?
Again it’s designed to empower downvoting to silence those against the hivemind
We’re running in circles at this point. I still have to see an example of a false positive for this system, as a nontoxic user being flagged as such.
Wouldn’t say running in circles as much as ignoring the issues
Then Piefed is fine?
Instances who tolerate bad faith trolls or bad actors are going to do so with or without tools such as Piefed’s.
If the part after the but is ignored sure. But that part is also the issue so 🤷.
The point is the tools of piefed will amply the bad actors by allowing them to do the worst parts of reddit in the fediverse.
Piefed system doesn’t punish those who do not act “the way the creator wants”.
Downvotes given are only actions from the user, no interaction from the Piefed dev.
Downvotes received is feedback from other users, no interaction from the Piefed dev either.
Trolls are already around, as you pointed out in another comment. I would rather have a tool that works 80% of the time to detect trolls than no tools at all.
When you ignore all the downsides and concerns everything looks amazing.
I wish I had your confidence in it being positive
And when you only focus on the edge cases every tool seems insufficient.
About my confidence: you’re not on Piefed, so you don’t experience the system as a user. If you give it a try, I’m quite sure you’ll see it works as intended 80-90% of the time.
And again, if a legit user gets flagged as toxic, there’s no other consequence besides the warning, that doesn’t prevent anything from being seen.
Yet