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Ok, fair enough. Pop OS, once again, should be ashamed. Itās pretty egregious that they donāt make it very clear that this is beta (maybe even alpha) quality software.
So, as a normal person, when an OS isnāt working and has a bunch of bugs, wouldnāt the correct response be to try another OS? Especially when your friends arenāt having the issues youāre having. Heās tried Pop twice now, and both times, the clowntown devs have caused him headaches. Maybe try another OS and stop shitting on Linux as a whole because of Pop OS.
The problem with Linus is that he views himself as an expert in computers when really heās just decent at Windows. He knows basically nothing about anything but DOS derived OSes. Give him something POSIX and heās completely lost. He acts worse than a newbie, because a newbie at least knows that they know nothing.
Yes, I think the main problem was System 76 shipping a beta DE with an LTS release, which is why Iām surprised most people focused on shitting on Linus for the problem he is having.
Given that most users are still on Windows, you can tell just how numb most people are to bs coming from their OS, so it makes sense for an average user to try out a popular distro a 2nd time after it didnāt work out the first time. Also, this is the 2nd time heās trying it, so calling it his fault for not trying another distro after failing twice is kinda misplaced, isnāt it? If heās still on Pop!_OS in the next video, then your criticism would make sense. Heās also not shitting on Linux, only showing the problems he encountered. If he was trying to shit on Linux, the perspective of the other two presenters wouldnāt be so positive.
Linus definitely plays up the character of someone who knows enough to be dangerous. Thatās part of the entertainment of his channel. Expecting him to only do things competently is basically asking him to abandon the style of his current content. Itās like expecting a serious car review from Top Gear. Youāre never gonna get it and you shouldnāt be expecting it.
He is shitting on Linux. Look at the thumbnail and title of the video. Heās pushing the narrative that Linux is difficult. Linux isnāt particularly difficult, itās just different than Windows. If you have no knowledge of either, theyād both be difficult to use. I know for me, using Windows is such a pain in the ass, cause everything is so different than Linux, and Iāve been using Linux for 18 years. But Iām not going to say Windows is difficult just because Iām unfamiliar with it.
Itās way easier to do a lot of things in Linux than Windows, and to his credit, he does touch on this for a few seconds in his video. But he spends so much time focusing on the bugs in the beta quality software that no other distro uses that yet again, heās going to be pushing people away from Linux as a whole because he doesnāt know what heās doing.
He needs to realize that heās not ācursedā, heās just nowhere near the computer expert that he thinks he is. Again, heās just a fool.
You mean the beta piece of software that is shipped in an LTS release that nobody who donāt follow Linux news would know is a beta software? And youāre blaming the people who donāt know instead of the people who should know better than to do that?
Iām blaming someone who should have enough expertise to understand that that can happen and how to avoid it. I mean Luke literally brought it up himself as a criticism of Linusā approach for that video in the WAN Show the other day.
Youāre acting like Linus is just some nobody who has zero responsibility when heās talking about Linux. Thatās not true. For better or for worse, people will listen to his opinions and takes on things. If those takes are grossly uninformed, thatās his fault, and itās irresponsible of him as an influencer. If he canāt be bothered to do more than an hour of research before spouting off his nonsense opinions, then he just shouldnāt be talking about Linux. Let someone more competent from his team do it.
I can tell you didnāt watch the video properly, since he already said he doing it from an approach of someone new to Linux, as he always does whenever these challenges occur. Saying someone shouldnāt use Linux if they didnāt do an hour of research into it is painfully elitist. Iām sure many people like to deal with gatekeepers that judge people based on how much time they have to spend on researching their OS.
Saying someone shouldnāt use Linux if they didnāt do an hour of research into it is painfully elitist.
I agree. Itās a good thing I didnāt say that.
The right approach to reviewing a new kind of operating system is not to do one hour of research then complain to millions of people that the system isnāt doing what youāre trying to make it do.
IMHO, that is the worst kind of reviewer, one who just doesnāt know enough about the product or bother to research it enough to give an accurate review. Imagine if MKBHD reviewed Android by only taking a look at a Boost Mobile phone.
And itās not gatekeeping to criticize someone for spreading misinformation about Linux. Iām perfectly happy with him using Linux. He can use it all he wants. Iāll never try to stop him. But when he makes these videos, heās just being an idiot and an asshole. If he titled his video, āGiving PopOS One More Chanceā, Iād be less disgusted by his behavior. Thank god for the other two for actually being the voice of reason.
The right approach to reviewing a new kind of operating system
Luckily, they never used the word review to refer to the purpose of the video, so your criticism is already out-of-place.
IMHO, that is the worst kind of reviewer
Again, their job was not as a reviewer, but as a tester for Linux in their specific usecase. In Linusās case, he added that he was doing it like an average user.
And itās not gatekeeping to criticize someone for spreading misinformation about Linux.
What misinformation? Did Pop!_OS not ship a beta software with their LTS release that caused all the problems that Linus faced? Did his google search not suggest Pop!_OS as a distro? Did ChatGPT not suggest Pop!_OS as a distro? Show me where the misinformation was in the video?
Iām perfectly happy with him using Linux.
Yes, youāre just unhappy other people are using it and finding problems.
Thank god for the other two for actually being the voice of reason.
Thank god the other two didnāt find many problems? If they found a lot of problems, are they also now spreading misinformation?
Do you honestly think this video was not a review of Linux? Just because they call it a challenge doesnāt mean itās not a review. But fine, weāll call them testers. IMHO, that is the worst kind of tester.
Multiple times while heās talking about his experience, heās attributing bugs in Cosmic to everything except Cosmic. Cosmicās compositor, especially, has a bunch of bugs, and heās hitting them, while blaming them on Valve and Linux. He doesnāt understand where the bugs are coming from, which, sure, is a bit of an excuse, but, heās still spreading misinformation. And the best you can say is, well, heās only spreading misinformation because heās ignorant. But how does he not realize that itās his distro when the other guys never see those bugs??
The fact that you didnāt realize that what he was saying was untrue kind of proves my point. Heās spreading misinformation.
Linus didnāt shit on Linux as a whole, come on. Last time he tried Pop was over a year ago, he figured something mightāve changed in the meantime. And he did research what could be causing the issues (and found a fix for L4D2), and did also mention that overall the system was intuitive, installing it was fairly simple and he enjoyed not having his data being sold. He also said that all his devices were plug-and-play, no driver downloading shenanigans required. But of course he is going to highlight the issues he runs into, itās kind of the point of the video to show that not all experiences with Linux are seamless, and you can get radically different results depending on your chosen distro.
Ok, fair enough. Pop OS, once again, should be ashamed. Itās pretty egregious that they donāt make it very clear that this is beta (maybe even alpha) quality software.
So, as a normal person, when an OS isnāt working and has a bunch of bugs, wouldnāt the correct response be to try another OS? Especially when your friends arenāt having the issues youāre having. Heās tried Pop twice now, and both times, the clowntown devs have caused him headaches. Maybe try another OS and stop shitting on Linux as a whole because of Pop OS.
The problem with Linus is that he views himself as an expert in computers when really heās just decent at Windows. He knows basically nothing about anything but DOS derived OSes. Give him something POSIX and heās completely lost. He acts worse than a newbie, because a newbie at least knows that they know nothing.
Yes, I think the main problem was System 76 shipping a beta DE with an LTS release, which is why Iām surprised most people focused on shitting on Linus for the problem he is having.
Given that most users are still on Windows, you can tell just how numb most people are to bs coming from their OS, so it makes sense for an average user to try out a popular distro a 2nd time after it didnāt work out the first time. Also, this is the 2nd time heās trying it, so calling it his fault for not trying another distro after failing twice is kinda misplaced, isnāt it? If heās still on Pop!_OS in the next video, then your criticism would make sense. Heās also not shitting on Linux, only showing the problems he encountered. If he was trying to shit on Linux, the perspective of the other two presenters wouldnāt be so positive.
Linus definitely plays up the character of someone who knows enough to be dangerous. Thatās part of the entertainment of his channel. Expecting him to only do things competently is basically asking him to abandon the style of his current content. Itās like expecting a serious car review from Top Gear. Youāre never gonna get it and you shouldnāt be expecting it.
He is shitting on Linux. Look at the thumbnail and title of the video. Heās pushing the narrative that Linux is difficult. Linux isnāt particularly difficult, itās just different than Windows. If you have no knowledge of either, theyād both be difficult to use. I know for me, using Windows is such a pain in the ass, cause everything is so different than Linux, and Iāve been using Linux for 18 years. But Iām not going to say Windows is difficult just because Iām unfamiliar with it.
Itās way easier to do a lot of things in Linux than Windows, and to his credit, he does touch on this for a few seconds in his video. But he spends so much time focusing on the bugs in the beta quality software that no other distro uses that yet again, heās going to be pushing people away from Linux as a whole because he doesnāt know what heās doing.
He needs to realize that heās not ācursedā, heās just nowhere near the computer expert that he thinks he is. Again, heās just a fool.
You mean the beta piece of software that is shipped in an LTS release that nobody who donāt follow Linux news would know is a beta software? And youāre blaming the people who donāt know instead of the people who should know better than to do that?
Iām blaming someone who should have enough expertise to understand that that can happen and how to avoid it. I mean Luke literally brought it up himself as a criticism of Linusā approach for that video in the WAN Show the other day.
Youāre acting like Linus is just some nobody who has zero responsibility when heās talking about Linux. Thatās not true. For better or for worse, people will listen to his opinions and takes on things. If those takes are grossly uninformed, thatās his fault, and itās irresponsible of him as an influencer. If he canāt be bothered to do more than an hour of research before spouting off his nonsense opinions, then he just shouldnāt be talking about Linux. Let someone more competent from his team do it.
I can tell you didnāt watch the video properly, since he already said he doing it from an approach of someone new to Linux, as he always does whenever these challenges occur. Saying someone shouldnāt use Linux if they didnāt do an hour of research into it is painfully elitist. Iām sure many people like to deal with gatekeepers that judge people based on how much time they have to spend on researching their OS.
I agree. Itās a good thing I didnāt say that.
The right approach to reviewing a new kind of operating system is not to do one hour of research then complain to millions of people that the system isnāt doing what youāre trying to make it do.
IMHO, that is the worst kind of reviewer, one who just doesnāt know enough about the product or bother to research it enough to give an accurate review. Imagine if MKBHD reviewed Android by only taking a look at a Boost Mobile phone.
And itās not gatekeeping to criticize someone for spreading misinformation about Linux. Iām perfectly happy with him using Linux. He can use it all he wants. Iāll never try to stop him. But when he makes these videos, heās just being an idiot and an asshole. If he titled his video, āGiving PopOS One More Chanceā, Iād be less disgusted by his behavior. Thank god for the other two for actually being the voice of reason.
Luckily, they never used the word review to refer to the purpose of the video, so your criticism is already out-of-place.
Again, their job was not as a reviewer, but as a tester for Linux in their specific usecase. In Linusās case, he added that he was doing it like an average user.
What misinformation? Did Pop!_OS not ship a beta software with their LTS release that caused all the problems that Linus faced? Did his google search not suggest Pop!_OS as a distro? Did ChatGPT not suggest Pop!_OS as a distro? Show me where the misinformation was in the video?
Yes, youāre just unhappy other people are using it and finding problems.
Thank god the other two didnāt find many problems? If they found a lot of problems, are they also now spreading misinformation?
Do you honestly think this video was not a review of Linux? Just because they call it a challenge doesnāt mean itās not a review. But fine, weāll call them testers. IMHO, that is the worst kind of tester.
Multiple times while heās talking about his experience, heās attributing bugs in Cosmic to everything except Cosmic. Cosmicās compositor, especially, has a bunch of bugs, and heās hitting them, while blaming them on Valve and Linux. He doesnāt understand where the bugs are coming from, which, sure, is a bit of an excuse, but, heās still spreading misinformation. And the best you can say is, well, heās only spreading misinformation because heās ignorant. But how does he not realize that itās his distro when the other guys never see those bugs??
The fact that you didnāt realize that what he was saying was untrue kind of proves my point. Heās spreading misinformation.
Linus didnāt shit on Linux as a whole, come on. Last time he tried Pop was over a year ago, he figured something mightāve changed in the meantime. And he did research what could be causing the issues (and found a fix for L4D2), and did also mention that overall the system was intuitive, installing it was fairly simple and he enjoyed not having his data being sold. He also said that all his devices were plug-and-play, no driver downloading shenanigans required. But of course he is going to highlight the issues he runs into, itās kind of the point of the video to show that not all experiences with Linux are seamless, and you can get radically different results depending on your chosen distro.