In the 90’s there entire mailing list and Apple paid advocates. Many in my generation used Apple computers in school and carried them forward, when I got to college there were Apple specific computer labs.
I’ve been using Apple computers since 1980, Linux really didn’t become mainstream and usable until the late 90’s
Linux didn’t exist until 1991. Though there may have been some people in the 80s who were used to Unixes running on workstations that thought that MS DOS and the Windows software was stupid. But who knows.
Yggdrasil was introduced in ‘92, Debian and Slackware ‘93 so it worked well enough in the early 90’s to be usable.
I didn’t really install Linux until ‘04ish so I have zero real world experience with early Linux, but it’s interesting to follow the Slackware forum on LQ to hear what the truly old school folks have to say.
was plenty on the mailing lists and Berkley message boards to suggest they hated DOS at the time. mainly because it was being bundled with workstations despite all the effort to get it treated as a multi-user OS, when terminal sharing was still a thing and M$ still didn’t have a solution.
Microsoft was '81 for acquiring DOS (and that’s technically a lie, they didn’t have the source code for several years later. but it’s how they convinced IBM)
both MS and Apple were living BASIC at this time. Basic is not a operating system, it’s a pre-compiler environment. it’s designed to let you run code directly without machine code. as assembler and C was not a thing or rather licensed yet.
BSD specifically Netbsd exists as they were part of the invention of C code. BSD was ported from assembler/machine code to be portable with C.
MSdos, which Microsoft acquired by buying Qdos (aka 86dos), was written by a developer who stole most of the code and copied the rest from a existing operating system (which I cannot recall at this time). both were In negotiations with IBM. just Microsoft lied through their teeth to get the contract and won.
apple at the same time had fallen behind. the Lisa and apple II were still running a basic interpreter on top of ROMMON. Wozniak who wrote ROMMON and later large portions of apples next two OSes including OSx. kept pushing to get a actual Unix like Operating system on the device.
however Steve jobs was cruel, and demanded no new changes… it’s why Wolfenstein was nearly out before a true OS existed from Apple… Steve had a long history of trying to control advancement through forcing model version advancements with weaker hardware than the previous so you would be encouraged to upgrade.
Apple users are the OG Windows haters.
More like the OG “shiny is better” users
All those shiny Apple 2’s, Macintoshs, Quadra’s, LC’s etc. super shiny beige plastic
Windows was less shitty in the 90s too
I wouldn’t know
no?
Yes
In the 90’s there entire mailing list and Apple paid advocates. Many in my generation used Apple computers in school and carried them forward, when I got to college there were Apple specific computer labs.
I’ve been using Apple computers since 1980, Linux really didn’t become mainstream and usable until the late 90’s
Linux didn’t exist until 1991. Though there may have been some people in the 80s who were used to Unixes running on workstations that thought that MS DOS and the Windows software was stupid. But who knows.
Yggdrasil was introduced in ‘92, Debian and Slackware ‘93 so it worked well enough in the early 90’s to be usable.
I didn’t really install Linux until ‘04ish so I have zero real world experience with early Linux, but it’s interesting to follow the Slackware forum on LQ to hear what the truly old school folks have to say.
was plenty on the mailing lists and Berkley message boards to suggest they hated DOS at the time. mainly because it was being bundled with workstations despite all the effort to get it treated as a multi-user OS, when terminal sharing was still a thing and M$ still didn’t have a solution.
~ I’m old…
BSD was the OG windows haters. Apple was the OG ,“Let’s license hardware/software and call it our own”.
remember where Darwin comes from.
Apple has had operating systems long before OSX in 2001.
Apple is just a few years younger than Unix
Had to check, Unix was released 3 years before apple was founded. I’d have given a 5-10 years lead to Unix but no, about the same age.
Yea ‘68 for Unix, ‘75 for MS, ‘76 for Apple.
But really it’s ~’80 for both really getting started
Microsoft was '81 for acquiring DOS (and that’s technically a lie, they didn’t have the source code for several years later. but it’s how they convinced IBM)
both MS and Apple were living BASIC at this time. Basic is not a operating system, it’s a pre-compiler environment. it’s designed to let you run code directly without machine code. as assembler and C was not a thing or rather licensed yet.
BSD specifically Netbsd exists as they were part of the invention of C code. BSD was ported from assembler/machine code to be portable with C.
MSdos, which Microsoft acquired by buying Qdos (aka 86dos), was written by a developer who stole most of the code and copied the rest from a existing operating system (which I cannot recall at this time). both were In negotiations with IBM. just Microsoft lied through their teeth to get the contract and won.
apple at the same time had fallen behind. the Lisa and apple II were still running a basic interpreter on top of ROMMON. Wozniak who wrote ROMMON and later large portions of apples next two OSes including OSx. kept pushing to get a actual Unix like Operating system on the device.
however Steve jobs was cruel, and demanded no new changes… it’s why Wolfenstein was nearly out before a true OS existed from Apple… Steve had a long history of trying to control advancement through forcing model version advancements with weaker hardware than the previous so you would be encouraged to upgrade.
Unix dates back to the 1960s. you have to count back to the BELL/AT&T days as it was available to educational institutions.
apple was still using BASIC on Thier first machines long after netbsd