It feels like all the joy I used to feel from being an enthusiast has been completely voided as computing has become the modern vector for fascism and surveillance. I find myself recoiling from all online spaces, even independent and open source ones that I’d loved and supported in the past.

It’s been an exceptionally strange impulse to go from having an elaborate online presence to now feeling like the only acceptable way to engage with the network is to have as minimal of an online footprint as possible.

This especially hurts when it feels like an issue of skilling, where I know how to do certain tasks with computers, but have to teach myself for the first time the analogue alternatives that my parents and their parents likely already knew well.

How have you chosen to deal with it? Do you find yourself moving away from computing and the internet, despite formerly loving it as a hobby? Have you replaced things that computers used to do for you with analogue replacements?

I’m curious how other people are experiencing this.

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    I don’t have any friends or any other hobbies. Financial situation is not so good rn and so even if I wanted to, don’t really feel like spending money for hobby or something.

    I don’t really know what others definition of “computing” is but if it’s just about having an Internet addiction, then it’s something I’ve had for as long as I can remember. I didn’t have friends in elementary school but I had access to the Internet while at school and other spaces.

    It’s all just coping for me. Without the Internet, I’d probably become the next Luigi or something.

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    I’ve been online for like, too long to see it decay and rot into the form it has been turned into. My only regret is that I didn’t embrace the early days or the first 15 years I was online for. Tack on 15 more years and I got to watch, albeit slowly, the corrosion take form.

    Everywhere I’ve been to is either gone or transformed into a shallow representation of its former self. Everyone I know and knew are growing up and the times we had can’t be replicated anymore or enjoyed similarly. Features are being shoved in that nobody asked for but everyone uses without question. Optimization has taken a back seat, where everything breaks down in a moment’s notice as we’re given empty promises and apologies for it.

    The spirit of community has fallen to tribalism and hivemindedness where simply being nuanced is just simply unacceptable anymore. It’s like you MUST pick a side, you MUST say the right opinions, you MUST express yourself justly or you’re whatever the side thinks you are. There is no room for critical thinking.

    And every other day, I ask myself “what the fuck am I even doing anymore?” when it comes to being online. I’m just coming online for no other reason than just to check things and waste clicks. Because I’m not enjoying my time anywhere without being constantly reminded about the things I’ve watched the internet become for so long.

    There was someone I knew, that when her gaming PC broke down 2 years ago, she decided that it was it for her. She wasn’t tech savvy, she wasn’t glued to the net or computers as much. She’ll use something until it breaks before she decides whether to continue. And when that computer died, she shrugged and decided to move on living as simple as she can be.

    I don’t think I’ll go that route when my PC dies, I’ll still have a use for it. But if the internet becomes too expensive or it just plainly isn’t serving its purpose to me as it once did completely, I’ll probably consider it a good run well-lived.

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    If someone picks up a chair and hits a person with it, is the chair now evil? Should you avoid using chairs because of the potential hurt they can cause? Computers are the same.

    Focus on the positive and don’t dwell on the negative. Play games, tinker with hardware and open-source software. Get off platforms like Reddit/Lemmy where negativity is much more pervasive.

    Of course, if you find yourself “recoiling from all online spaces” then consider alternative hobbies that give you the same level of satisfaction.

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    I grew up as a computer nerd kid in the 90s with my first computer being a 386 DX 66mhz off brand IBM PC clone with 8mb ram.

    I was put on this earth to do computer stuff no doubt about it. I was the first on my block with dialup. I was the first on my block with DSL. I was the first kid on my block with cable internet. Taught myself C when I was 15 and and a software engineer professionally over a decade without any college education.

    With that being said, what we call “AI” (LLMs) completely exhausts me and I have absolutely no interest about AI garbage. I am depressed because AI exists to cheapen literally everything I have a passion for.

    When I was young I always wanted to be at the head of technology and always stay up to date with it I’d read books and news daily. Always had a genuine passion for it, but I can’t stand it now.

    I just stay stuck in the 90s and play old consoles like PlayStation and N64. That gives me comfort and I know there’s no AI slop in those games.

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      We have similar stories! Except I was way out in the country where the fastest internet available was 26.4kbps dialup (the phone lines were too old to support anything faster and there was no cable). Mine was an overclocked 486 IBM clone with 8mb ram and like 600 or 800 MB HD.

      I recently saw a colleague post on that one professional network that “he guessed he wouldn’t get to write code himself anymore”. That’s depressing as hell to me. Everyone’s minds work differently. I find that writing code gives me new ideas that I wouldn’t have come to otherwise. It’s a loss of creative process. And it’s tragic. Like sometime saying “I guess we won’t paint any paintings ourselves anymore”. What an incredible tragedy.

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    Any tool can be used for good or for evil. Try not to get sucked into the doom spiral, there are plenty of FOSS and adjacent projects making the world a better place.

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      This. Use as much ethical open source software as possible for you, while supporting and advocating for important projects in that space. And don’t let yourself get sucked into some closed platform or ecosystem you don’t like. For communication and social media, use only open and decentralized servers/protocols. Use as much end to end and strong encryption as possible. Minimize your data footprint. Buy from local and ethical shops. Be the change you want to see in the world.

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    I am experiencing the exact same thing, but in my mind it’s a disillusionment not with tech itself but with tech products.

    I have my Linux PC set up so that I can use it on the couch at home while hanging out with my family. I have a smart phone, but I consciously try to use it as little as possible.

    Now instead of following the details of the next generation of phones/consoles/GPUs/AIs, I like to tinker with existing technology that I haven’t learned yet. And since I work on computer stuff at work all day, I try to spend my time at home doing analog stuff based in the real world, ideally outdoors even if that means my own yard.

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      What of you’re in IT and are ready to leave but don’t like gardening or woodworking?

      I still like electricity. Maybe I can be a part time electrician.

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      You too? I don’t have any soil so my garden is all in pots, but it’s doing good. The tulips were glorious - I love a tulip - my first rose flowered yesterday, my opium poppies are thriving, and my tomato seeds finally germinated.

      These days I only use a computer for minimum essential work stuff, and my steam deck. I work outdoors too. I have less money but I’m fitter and happier.

      Edit - if you’re into soil science, two words - compost toilet. Total game changer.

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        Edit - if you’re into soil science, two words - compost toilet. Total game changer.

        I’m actually debating between bokashi or traditional composting; probably going to end up doing both. Pretty sure my wife would veto a composting toilet.

        Today’s our wedding anniversary so maybe I’ll ask for a composter and bokashi starter kit to celebrate 11 years.

        Here’s some of our gardens and a WIP greenhouse.

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      This is exactly what I did. Part of it is reminding ourselves the old Net didn’t update just by scrolling and every website wasn’t filled with infinite people engaging. It’s slow.

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      Got any advice on how to start doing that, for someone who considers themselves tech-savvy, but not enough to know how to self host, or to know the open source alternatives yet?

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            BTW, dont feel bad if it seems like it takes a lot of time to move forward through steps, its a very condensed 10 min video. Each step when done for the first time can take a while to grasp and learn

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                Definitely try things out on a little single board computer (SBC) like a Pi, or a VM (virtual machine), or even an old laptop. It’s harder to break things than you might think, especially when using containers and stuff, but it does happen.

                Rolling back or reinstalling a VM is sometimes way less hassle than trying to decipher cryptic issues.

                It’ll feel easier to play around if you can always just start over, as opposed to risking “I hope this works” with your precious data.

                Oh yeah, whatever you do (and I know this is hard advice given the price of storage now, UGH), figure out what a 3-2-1 backup strategy looks like to you, for your most important things.

                Most importantly: Have fun! Sounds cheesy, but having an exciting goal in mind will definitely encourage you to keep learning and enjoying the process. :)

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    I’m getting more involved in that I’m discovering more open source projects that I can support.

    Open source really gives me hope. Instead of a profit motive, communities form and work together out of passion and dedication to a project or idea.

    That’s really invigorating to me. And, in many ways, can often be a big fuck you to our capitalist overlords. I’m working on presentations and such to teach my friends and spread the word about various projects and better op sec to make it all the harder to harvest our data.

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    I think it’s still safe to nerd out on Linux and codeberg and games. So I’ve gone there and don’t bother with Facebook or any of those social services. I’ve never found them that enticing anyways. It always felt like a trap and a disengenuous way to engage others.

    Agree with a lot of other sentiment : build more offline life. I think it’s the way we gotta go. I mostly see people on rl too rather than text online if the distance permits it

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    I completely get it. It’s been so demonized in recent years that it’s completely understandable to feel this way. I literally can’t fathom how I was ever excited to take an AI course 3-4 years ago in grad school lol

    Here’s how I’ve been dealing with it without letting it crush my interest in computing.

    In terms of online spaces:

    There’s always an alternative. You being on Lemmy right now is evidence of this. The big media conglomerates want you to believe there are no alternatives. That’s how they function, they use social pressure to get you to conform. Enough friends badger you to get facebook and you eventually get a facebook, even if you hate it.

    Gradually move away from these circles, don’t allow yourself to be pressured.

    The internet is a vaster ecospace than you can possibly imagine, despite how many people believe it’s limited to cycling between the same 3-4 apps. You should try checking out Neocities sometime if you don’t believe me. Other people who haven’t allowed their passions for computing to be drowned out still exist, it’s just that the voices of the mundane crowd who don’t know anything about computing or have ever had any desire to learn are louder and currently propagate the online space.

    Also, never underestimate the power of rigid filters. You’ll begin to notice so many other things once every other post you see is no longer a catastrophic news update about how the 1% is currently raping the earth and ruining life for the average citizen. It can feel tempting to always stay “in the loop”… but the truth is, most of the things we stay up to date on aren’t as important as we think they are.

    Yeah, maybe them building an AI data center in your local district seems like urgent news you have to have… but you already knew these data centers are bad and being built everywhere. You were probably already going to vote against that the next chance you got in a local election. Beyond that, if you aren’t planning any local protests… the most productive thing you’d do that day is vent anger online about it with other strangers. Seriously, try to limit your intake to just world news and a local newspaper or the most important stuff that happened that week. If a new war starts I assure you there’s no way you’ll miss it.

    In terms of AI:

    Here’s a really simple platitude that actually helps more than you think.

    “Blame the artist, not the pencil.”

    It’s just another tool, not the end of civilization or the “singularity”, or anything people really want to build it up to be. Quite frankly, it’s not that cool or spooky at all. I’m 1000 times more spooked by the trends I’ve seen develop in humans dialing back basic data privacy rights than I am about ChatGPT’s actual capabilities.

    In fact, I use AI regularly. It’s all about balance, just like any other tool you use with computer literacy. You don’t download random files, click weird links, or upload your social security number. Same principles with AI.

    • I use AI to troubleshoot when I’m programming and it saves me countless hours of searching 15+ year old stackexchange posts: I don’t use it to program my code.
    • I use AI to roleplay sometimes because the engaging feedback helps spark my creativity: I don’t use it to write my stories or texts for me.
    • I use AI to help research complex questions to aid my comprehension, such as “Why is manufacturing a cure for AIDS so difficult and have any recent promising developments been made in the field?”, not as a one-stop shop for all my factual knowledge.

    As draining as it is to find a new AI spyware thing I have to uninstall everytime my browser updates or I open a Microsoft program these days, AI itself is not this big evil thing. And if you have less patience for it than I do, someone who stops to look up the instructions on how to manually disable OneDrive updates in Administrative Tools to stop reinstalling Copilot, take the other people’s advice in this thread and go completely open source. Try Linux. It may save you a huge headache in the long run.

    Lastly, in terms of creative liberty:

    Always remember that the online space was created for us, not for them.

    I love messing around with Stylus these days and especially publicly made GreasyFork scripts to see just how much I can break websites and get them to do my bidding. While everyone else is lamenting bad website updates with angry “Goodbye forever” and “I’ve unsubscribed!! (yes I was paying)” posts, I’ve already fixed the issue with a script or some basic coding.

    In addition, uBlock Origin, VPNs, PopUpOff and a handful of other useful extensions are all your friends, and will help save you from countless hours of irritation of having to navigate spaces with no functional UI in mind. I haven’t had issues viewing an article on some offbrand newssite or a mainstream paywall in ages. I found out they banned imgur in my country because of lemmy posts, not because I couldn’t access it.

    And never throw in the towel because something’s “gone forever”. I’ve already found a new piracy website after the last 5 went down. I’ve already started migrating pages from archive.org to archive.is. Someone has already reuploaded the entire decades old collection of english dub One Piece episodes that went down because of a copyright strike. You know what they say, “Once it’s out on the internet, it stays there forever.”

    Final thoughts

    From one computer enthusiast to another, don’t let the current state of the world take away your passions from you. Remember, at the end of the day, these are all just tools. It only matters what you do with them.

    Here’s a little video I’ll leave with you in case it helps cheer you up.

    Microsoft Windows 95 Launch with Bill Gates & Jay Leno (1995) (be prepared, it’s corny as hell lol)

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      “In fact, I use AI regularly”, not critisiing because that’s the world we live in now. But its also obvious. My question is are you just directing your life, and then projecting it with your Jarvis? No judgement. Just curious.

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        Speaking for myself, there are many things that I couldn’t ever hope to do before AI became popularized. I don’t speak Japanese, can’t draw, lack the money to hire humans, let alone give them a fair wage. Any dreams I wanted to fulfill, simply are not possible without skill, social connections, and wealth. I lacked agency long before the rise of AI.

        With AI tools, I can translate or retranslate foreign games, which is quite nice for me. There are quite a few niche games that won’t ever receive much attention, being only of interest to a select few humans. Hoping for the good luck of another person to donate their time and life to such causes, isn’t practical.

        Plus, I don’t particularly like the nuts and bolts of computing. I am having a hard time getting the .git of DevilutionX to build, because it is missing SDL.h, and the repository instructions seem dated. An AI would likely understand how to fix that issue, any other weird technical problems. Learning the dependencies, console commands, and so forth is just something I don’t want to do with my lifespan. I want to just enjoy my media, without technical hurdles getting in the way.