Cuz the comments throught Lemmy/Piefed seems to indicate that literally every user on here is a FOSS/Dencentralization Purist and has 100% abandoned mainstream platforms.
I wonder if this is actually true or just a small minority of users being overrepresented.
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I think you’re seeing a loud minority honestly. People who use mainstream socials still (yes, I do) don’t tend to shout about it all the time.
Agreed.
I also find it funny how you (mostly) read about (F)OSS purists here but readily engage in using Chromium based browsers like Brave.Like…why?? You (not you OP :p) can’t preach about FOSS but also use Brave in the same contexts.
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Okay Brave is open source. But what they do and for what they are in the news for, are (IMO) not in line with what F(OSS) projects usually stand for.using social media is just assumed. like driving a car, having a job, watching tv, etc. it’s just background assumption, and if you don’t use it, you’re weird.
but there are vastly different ways and volumes in which people use it. i have most only ever used it for community/volunteer stuff. i only used it personally like 10 years ago back when it was just pictures my friends and I posted. I stopped using it in 2021 or so after it got enshittified and became nothing but advertising and porn in my feeds and my friends photos took scrolling for 5m to find.
Yeah I’m basically the same. I have it, but I only use it sometimes. It doesn’t hold my interest that much.
I use discord and piefed and that’s it. Discord is mainstream, but I’m just in a couple small servers talking with friends.
I just don’t mesh well with most social media. Mastodon and Bluesky confuse me just as much as Twitter and Facebook did.
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I’ve been using SmartTube on a Firestick and it’s great. Not only does it get rid of the YouTube commercials, it can also get rid of the “…and that’s why I use SquareSpace” type stuff.
Yes this is perfect. With YouTube history disabled so you don’t see recommendations at all. Just subscriptions, ‘watch later’ list, and non-personalized post-video recommendations on some devices.
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Its not worth it. Try freetube.
What do you use premium for? I used to have it a long time ago until ad block made it unneeded.
PS Trump is an orangutan
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I was just making a joke on your comment
without anyone bringing up Trump in the comments.
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You probably already know this, but there are other smaller instances that have way better “local” feed stuff because all of the main politics and shit posting are already on the big ones, like world.
Sorry for being annoying with my joke
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I scrape reddit for things that can’t be trusted to stay hosted there and put them on the Fediverse. But I don’t actually use reddit.
Based. What are some examples of such things?
Boobs n butts.
Every morning, I scrape reddit to see what crimes the fascist paramilitary invaders known as ice did recently. Then post it to Mastodon so the media is off reddit servers and then post that to Crimes of ICE
I don’t know why people are trusting reddit to host this media, it gets deleted often and it’s too important to let get deleted. One day, there will be trials, and this will be evidence.
Decentralisation purist here.
Only YouTube.
I was pretty addicted to Reddit for a while, but eventually I got banned for basically no reason and that was enough to get me to almost entirely stop checking it.
I don’t think YouTube counts as social media. Also, you can disable ads, comments and shorts, it feels so much better
social media
noun
Interactive forms of media that allow users to interact with and publish to each other, generally by means of the Internet.
I think it counts
So anything with a comments section? That would make pornhub and animekai “social medias” too LMAO
unless you’re actively posting and commenting and interacting on youtube, you aren’t though.
some of us just watch videos. I never had an account either until I was forced to get one due to them blocking so many vids from being viewed without signing in.
just like i sometimes read twitter comments, but i don’t have a twitter account and i don’t interact it, they just sometimes come up as links in stories i’m reading. same with tiktok or IG videos/images. I see it mostly through other websites that are using them as sources.
that’s very different than most people who are using it to as a means of socialization. I don’t even regard reddit/lemmy or internet comments as socialization. some people do. i have never have a ‘reddit friend’ even though I used teh site for over a decade. to me it was just shit on the internet that was fun to comment about.
Why would YouTube not count as social media?
Pre-rebuttal in case you go in this direction: Being a social media platform and being a video sharing platform are not mutually exclusive.
It’s just TV, there’s nothing social about it for many people
Like Netflix with a different library
Would you consider tiktok to be social media, then?
yeah because it’s mostly talking heads and the tik tok videos are meant to be replied to by other videos.
a lot of youtube isn’t like that. it’s just videos.
do some people use youtube as a social platform? yes. like the massive genre of talking heads and ‘reaction’ videos.
I don’t think many people use tiktok like that. Most people are just commenting, or lurking. It’s functionally pretty similar to how YouTube is used for the average person.
I remember there was actually a time (probably way back in the late 2000s) where youtube used to have a little “video reply” feature, and they would nest the replies beneath the video in a little banner! I miss those days…
Tiktok is the definition of social media imo. You respond directly to each other with videos that reveal who you are in real life. It’s almost aggressively social lol, like neighbors yelling at each other inside of the same apartment building, even if you live on opposite ends of the continent.
But that’s not how most people actually use it
That’s a way to use it (and the one I prefer) but it’s still media with social components, ergo social media.
That’s too broad.
There’s a pretty general consensus that it counts, and it makes good sense from a media literacy point of view to treat it as such.
Another even simpler point I haven’t seen anyone else mention yet is that social media is historically associated with being used to socially interact with friends and family, either people you know irl or closely-knit online groups you treat as legitimate personal relationships.
Though I suppose Twitter can be an exception to this, but anyone who remembers how Twitter started out knows that it was never intended to be that way lol (now that government and judicial agencies use it as a defacto form of official press release ontop of everything else)
If the question is “why not”, I think a good reasoning is simply because it broadens the categorization to the point where the term begins to lose all meaning. Different websites inherently have different forms of structure for interaction.
The way you behave on Instagram, Facebook, tumblr, and Twitter all feel fundamentally different from the way you behave on forums and video sites. People on Lemmy don’t “reblog” stuff, people don’t send each other friend requests on Youtube. It redefines the core dynamic.
On Youtube, the dominating theme is channels and parasocial relationships, more similar (but not exactly the same) to an audience’s relationship with traditional media like Film and Television and their responses to the various actors/artists/celebrities therein rather than a 1:1 reciprocal relationship. Sure, there are fan groups, which gets into an interesting subset where you can begin to socially interact with each other, but these groups often live in outside spaces (such as tumblr). Hence the point I’m trying to make.
Even classifying Lemmy and Reddit as “social medias” feels like a stretch. I mean yes, in a technical sense we’re all “socializing” with each other in this moment and having (mostly) genuine conversations. But for the vast majority of it, I would say:
Nope. Got off all of it in 2017 and I’ve never looked back
Same,in 2013.
I keep trying to block reddit, but half of the good practical advice and troubleshooting help is trapped there.
If anybody has a giant directory of active messageboards, I’m all ears.
I don’t, I quit Facebook almost a decade ago and then Reddit when they did the API bullshit. I do still end up on Reddit sometimes through search results but I nuked my account and will never create another one. I’m not exactly a purist about FOSS or decentralized platforms but corpo social media is dead to me.
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YouTube and discord if you can call those social media and Tumblr if you can call that mainstream.
I lurk on Reddit but no longer have an active account.
Nothing else
Quit using fb years back, maybe five? Have checked it twice to message people i’ve no other contacts for.
I’ve used reddit maybe a half dozen times since moving to fediverse during the 3rd party app exodus. Each time to find a specific niche thing, often to no avail.
So i’d say honestly no, but i never like social media much to begin with.
We asked in our instance census about use of lemmy-like platforms (reddit, hacker news) and most people said they still used them in some respect. Only 7 our of 49 who answered this question said they never use them, over half use them equally or more than Fediverse alternatives.
Personally I use Facebook messenger, well I normally use Beeper because I don’t have facebook on my phone but I still use the platform to connect with people. And video call on my laptop from time to time.
Unless you count old Reddit as “mainstream”, I never did.
Even if I have to deal with pissed-off people because I “still didn’t join them on facebook”.
my favorite is people wnat you to join them on some app. whatsapp, signal, etc. and you say you don’t use apps and they ask you why you are such a dick.
because i use my phone as a phone dude.
I actually quit a volunter org because they demaded we all have slack on our phones so we could ‘be available to cover for each other’. And I just flat out refused and they all got super upset with me, so I just quit. basically gen z people had joined and they refuse to use phone calls or texts to communicate. everything is slack/discord or some other group chat app.
The salt is high on ppl using third option apps. I have sms and if that won’t work I guess we won’t talk.
youtube and discord but only because i cant live without those (youtube for youtubers and updates, discord for friends)
