Should businesses, big or small — from Walmart down to a family-owned grocery store — be legally allowed to kick you out because of what you wear or say? For example, if someone wears a Nazi shirt, a KKK shirt, or has a Nazi tattoo on their body, should a business be allowed to kick them out? And, just to be fair, this applies to both the left and the right. If someone walks in wearing a pro-Palestine shirt or a Black Lives Matter shirt, should a business be allowed to kick them out too?

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    22 hours ago

    You can be banned from private property for anything. That is a basic right of owning property. If anyone can go onto your property without your consent, it’s not your property. If you want to go on someone’s else’s private property, you have to follow their rules. That goes likewise for your own property.

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    21 hours ago

    And, just to be fair, this applies to both the left and the right.

    of course it applies to both sides, we can’t can be against nazis and let those people with rainbow flags get away, where would be the justice in that, right? 😂 is this some shitty dog-whistle?

    i am not an expert on us law, but here in europe, not all speech is created equal. so advocating for people getting hurt based on their group characteristics will earn you jail time, but you can’t refuse a service to someone just because your favorite book “doesn’t condone their way of life”, because that is your private problem that you should keep to your regular sunday book meeting, where it belongs.

    long story short, don’t be asshole to others and you should be fine. it doesn’t always work perfectly, but that is the ultimate goal we are trying to achieve.

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    Of course they should be allowed.

    There are some categories that should be protected, e.g. you aren’t protected for wanting to kill people of a certain skin color, but you can’t be kicked out just because of the color of your skin.

    Businesses should also be regulated so they’re never too big to get kicked out of, for instance Walmart should not be allowed to be the only store in town.

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    21 hours ago

    To give my own perspective;

    Private property entails a social relationship in where the property claimant deprives whatever another person or group produces with that property. Private property is therefore theft.

    Someone therefore shouldn’t be able to kick out someone from a store on the premise of it being their land. Nor should one kick another out on the premise of owning the store alone - instead, all who work there have a voice.

    Workplaces may have their own rules; it could be that their commune has a different rule, or that the federation they partake in, has another. It is possible that people can say, “Bob, you come here, but we deny you service, for being an asshole”, and then Bob has to find another.

    I recall that the Conquest of Bread had something to say on it, but I forgot where exactly.

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    Up to the point of protected speech, yes.

    Free speech doesn’t mean you can say anything, anywhere, anywhen. It means that you can expect to be free from persecution or prosecution based on expressing a range of beliefs via speech/press.

    There should be a difference between a truly private property, as in one’s home, and a business property, but that’s a different issue. Even with businesses being “private” property, they still have to toe the line with protected speech, and most of the examples you gave would fall under that. The problem comes in litigating the violation

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      You have to be careful around pubic property. Sometimes it’s rough, sometimes it’s like a swamp. Then there’s the ugly times where it just stinks.