I’ve tried to install windows 11 and it fails lol. I have a 2.0 tpm. I’ll probably switch over to opensuse or mint soon.
Actually thats my desktop. My laptop is came with ubuntu.
I have TPM disabled in the bios so Windows 11 can’t install itself.
I’m running 10 with no security features as my main gaming system. I turned off as much of Windows defender as I could because it was slowing down texture downloads in Second Life + was trying to say my fan control software was malware.
I hope I get a virus because it’ll be the final tug I need to fully cover to linux. I just converted a 10 year old laptop to linux mint to run as a server since everything is getting enshittified and requiring monthly fees, like Mint the budgeting app, so I’m dipping my toe into self-hosting.
I have nothing to lose.
I’m also still running Android 9 on my phone because I refuse to buy a new one due to planned obsolescence.
With a hammer
By installing Linux on it
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debian trixie was released at just the right time, about two months before win10 went on life support.
Mint on the laptops. Bazzite on the gaming PCs
Mint on the laptops. Bazzite on the gaming PCs
Yep. Recently convinced my brother to install Fedora Silverblue on it.
Is it… could it be…. The year of the Linux desktop??
What do you mean? Win10 still works. MS didn’t Thanos snap it.
No, I mean is it prone to being hacked now more than before? Or has MS actively pushing updates to worsen it to force people to move to Win 11?
It was simple to get extended security updates for w10 for a year. After Oct, it’ll require payment for another year, up to 3 years total I believe.
You still need some sort of exploit to be able to hit your machine. If you’re behind a firewall and not raw dogging it on the internet then you’ve got a decent layer of security.
At that point it’s just your web browser (or your brain) that needs an exploit to for something bad to happen. And both chrome and Firefox will be supporting 10 for years to come.
Did something happen to Windows 10 that made them vulnerable?
Support has been extended, but 10 is EOL, which means soon™ it’ll stop getting updates. Once that happens, any vulnerabilities that exist (discovered or not) will stop being fixed.
This doesn’t effectively increase your risk as a consumer. It only increases risk at the enterprise and infrastructure level.
All threat models include who you are and the environment the OS is run in for a reason. Just browsing the web is fine as a consumer, until browsers stop targeting your OS for updates.
The main vector for infection for any OS isn’t the OS itself. Malware doesn’t just spawn on your computer the second you plug it in to a router (no matter what Trump’s FCC thinks with their chinese router ban). It needs to get on your computer.
An up to date browser will prevent the majority of infections, with common sense preventing the rest. I kept Windows XP well into windows 7 years, and windows 7 well into windows 10 years before switching to linux. Just don’t download malware, you’ll be fine. Worst case scenario you keep a backup clone of your hard drive on a usb stick (which you should have anyway) and just reflash your drive every few months (or just switch to linux, it can do anything windows can do at this point with enough faffing about.)
You could download a Trojan that takes advantage of a known vulnerability.
It is part of the swiss cheese model.
Your browser could have a vulnerable plugin, or maybe the user delays updates.
I bought a USB drive off a sketchy guy in college which had auto-run Malware on it – but it didn’t work on Ubuntu.
Not a good idea to use an unpatched OS.
You could download a Trojan that takes advantage of a known vulnerability.
Just… don’t do that?
This is part of Common Sense™. It’s a package that every single human being in a developed country is taught in regards to technology, and has been taught since the 1990s. (2000s for developing countries like the US).
Every single person that interacts with a computer in a professional setting has been taught explicitly how to never have a single virus on their computer. And they have been repeatedly taught this every 6 to 12 months for the last 3 decades. It is only people that purposefully infect themselves or purposefully choose to remain stupid — not ignorant, just stupid — that get infected with Trojans.
Your browser could have a vulnerable plugin, or maybe the user delays updates.
See above, and the previous comment.
I bought a USB drive off a sketchy guy in college which had auto-run Malware on it – but it didn’t work on Ubuntu.
See above. You did not use common sense™. You chose to be stupid, despite your college freshman orientation clearly covering basic safety.
Just… don’t do that?
This is part of Common Sense
Kinda. For people like you and me, sure this sense is common. How many normies do you know that have your level of technical paranoia?
Here’s an outlier example: I recently bought a carded, new micro SD card from the local brick and mortar because urgent reasons that don’t matter for this story. I went to load up the card, and its capacity was only 8MB, rather than 256GB. More than that, it was also loaded with 3 different auto-run malware. I was prepared for something like this (well, not the inconvenience of a counterfeit card). How many here are genuinely prepared to deal with brand new card that came from a trusted retailer with malware? Do YOU genuinely expect malware in this context?
I think a little empathy and education can go much further than “I’m smarter, just git gud.”
Good luck out there
No windows 10 left in the house.
Mint, Debian. Dual Boots are now all off. Couldn’t be happier. It was a pain getting everything setup correctly, but wow. I love having an OS that only does what I tell it.
LTSC IoT Enterprise support until 2032 - massgrave dot dev/windows10_eol
By turning it on.
What am I saying, it never gets turned off.
I also have both XP and Win7 VMs for running software that won’t run under 10/11.
Google and Apple have done a great job making people believe that an “unpatched” system is somehow dangerous.
Nearly all of my system failures/OS problems since about 2010 have been from updates breaking things - both Windows and Android
I haven’t seen a virus since Win2k and running a decent AV became standard.
And I’m in Enterprise IT - our biggest concern is social engineering, not direct attacks.
Security/stability is about layering protections/mitigations to prevent alignment of “risk holes”, like stacking Swiss cheese.
The slew of recent zero days in everything from the Linux kernel to Firefox warrant urgent patching…
There’s multiple good answers in the comments but context can help.
Why do you need to stay on Win10?
Can’t update? Don’t want to update?
Personally I moved to Linux Mint about 2 years ago. My laptop I just switched to Fedora (I think the UI is great on laptops but not a fan on desktops).
Anything Windows exclusive I need to keep around (and there are many reasons but they are highly subjective) I run Windows in a VM.
On top of that, I use ameliorated.io to reclaim the OS as my own and have little issues as far as privacy or security. As such, I didn’t mind updating to Win11. The way the ameliorated version runs is essentially the same as 10. So I get a clean interface (no asinine menu system), secured with admin and user accounts, no telemetry, no bloat. I’m very happy with this setup. If I had to stay 100% on windows for some reason this is how I’d run it.
Did you try the KDE plasma environment for fedora on desktop?
I did not. But that’s basically because I had a similar solution with Mint’s Cinnamon. It’s not off the table, and I might test it out eventually. My computing needs and workflows are changing, and the dust hasn’t quite settled yet.
With that said, do you have any pros you like with plasma over gnome?
No - I prefer gnome. KDE has more “inbuilt” customisability in that you don’t necessarily have to mess about with extensions, but gnome has a large and well enough maintained extensions community that this doesn’t matter. I just thought it’d be more up your alley if you prefer cinnamon, which is also windows-like
Gotcha. Yeah, it’s just a different workflow / mentality I am breaking through. On a laptop the track pad swipes are very natural to me. Whereas on desktop you hit the super key to bring up the main toolbar. Using a mouse I tend to think as point and click for everything which adds a lot of extra movement. Just learning curve on my end and figuring out what I like best (which I am leaning towards gnome at this point). I appreciate the comment though to make sure I knew my options, because it’s not always obvious.
Same way you’d use a phone that’s EOL. Even my old ass EOL router still held up because it accepted no incoming calls as if it wasn’t even there. Any other more involved attack vectors would probably fall outside of scope for the people potentially targeting an average person. Where the real danger lies with outdated systems, especially W10 while it’s still fairly fresh, is user error - visit the wrong link or download a wrong file and you are in the world of pain.
I did the free extended update. Will probably swap to the iot version later this year.
All my laptops are running Linux. Daily driver is currently on Manjaro with a dual boot to a very stripped down Win11 for some professional software with no Linux version.
Main PC is on Mint.
HTPC is on Win10 and I do not give a single shit what happens to that installation. Its purpose is to run Steam and VLC. If it gets a virus, it gets a virus. If it steals my info and sends it to China, then someone in China will know I play Jackbox games and watch weird arthouse Japanese movies. I could not care less. And if a virus ruins the OS, I’ll flatten, reinsrall Win10, and go back to not giving a shit 2 hours later.
Its kinda dumb but I have this stuff setup and to move it to linux I need to buy a new drive and I have literally zero disposable income.
I don’t know if this helps at all, but you actually don’t need to buy a new drive! You can install Linux next to Windows on the same drive, it works perfectly fine.
(You will need something to put the installer on though, and USB sticks do cost money, so.)
– Frost
yeah would be great if that was my particular thing. I overwrote windows and use an older machine for windows currently. I will need a new drive but I don’t really want to go into details with the niche thing im doing. Im actually moving from an ubuntu child distro to bazzite. a big issue was how appimages would work and I thought I had a big issue until I finally realized its an issue with how google does chrome. its looking good. taking a sit down before I finish it off. the chrome issue seems to be fixed by killing various caches it keeps btw (or for someone who comes across this and kinda has the same issue).
I’ve been slowly transitioning everything to Linux. I’ve been using Kubuntu so far, but have been encountering enough issues that I might have to go back and redo it with a new distro at some point.
I recommend Fedora Kinoite if you have a newer device, Debian KDE if you need stability and have a slightly older device, and Zorin if you have something sort of in between and need professional support.
(Oh and Bazzite if you’ll be gaming on something newer or PikaOS if gaming on something older)
