I have a coworker travelling there in July. Unwillingly, I’ve been more or less been kept in the loop what preparing the trip implies and I’m pretty horrified.
Up until now, these are some of demands made (and accepted):
- full disclosure and acess to social networks
- criminal record
- recent photo, perfectly groomed and in the attire to be used to travel there. No deviations will be tolerated from the supplied photo.
- complete list of possible identifying marks on the body, with pictures (tattoos, moles, melanistic spots, scars, etc)
- name and social networks of parents, siblings and other close relatives, including children.
The person is separated with two children; this is causing a lot of friction.
- has already been warned an interview of up to two hours will be held upon arrival.
The person speaks broken english at best.
- disclosure of place of employment and other connections to public organizations
They are connected to a local soccer club and a youth sports association.
To add to all of this, this isn’t a standard caucasian human but someone who has looks that can be taken for someone from the middle east, slightly darker shade of skin included.
Flying from southern europe straight to Florida.
I’m concerned. I would not go, full stop. They have people waiting there for them but nonetheless. Considering the heated state of affairs, it is something I consider of not easily to overlook risk.
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In that interview, they will ONLY be looking for reasons to deny her entry, not to let her in, and they will find something. Then all her expense and trouble will be wasted. I wouldn’t bother.
I’m a white Texan and now try to avoid flying anywhere, even in the United States, due to ICE’s presence at airports. I’m glad your coworker is such an optimist and sees this as an opportunity, but that’s completely illogical. If someone were to tell me that they paid for me to have a one-on-one experience with a caged lion, I’d only see that as an opportunity to practice saying “no.” Even if the lion told me it has countless job opportunities for me.
Clearly I’m ignorant due to not traveling out of the country in decades, but those demands are shocking to me. We really have devolved into a fascist shithole, huh? They’ll probably be fine, but I certainly wouldn’t risk it.
If I was him, I would not go. Simple as that. The US is no safe place for travel.
The Canadian travel advisories site claims that it is generally safe to travel to the US: https://travel.gc.ca/destinations/united-states
Frankly, I think they are bullshitting because of Canada’s diplomatic position with the US.
When was that last updated though? Cuz that a problem- a lot of countries are slow to updating that information especially when the country is still considered an ally legally through treaties
If he’s brown shut it down, if he’s white… idk, shut it down too probably - just to be safe.
Extremely dangerous
I’m confused about where this list is coming from? Is he applying for a visa? This sounds like something to do with a visa application.
Tourist VISA. Everything I listed came through the travel agency.
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It’s much more dangerous than it has been in the past for sure, but it’s also massively overblown. They’ll probably be perfectly fine. For every story you hear there’s thousands upon thousands of people coming and going with no incident that just doesn’t get talked about because it’s boring.
Be safe and cautious at the air ports and at customs, but past that it’s fine.
Money really helps. I just met a British-English speaking New Zealand-born Indian woman a few weeks ago who was here working for a large multinational. She’s traveled all over the U.S. and will be here for about two more years, she said she’s having a blast. Granted she spoke perfect English with a lovely British accent so YMMV but resources and calls you can make help a lot. Money is the great equalizer in the U.S.
Depends. Are you?
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Brown
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Gay
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Transgender
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Liberal
Under the current american politics reasoning I’m a radical but I have no predefined approach to ideas and concepts.
Not gay, nor transgender. And I think people are more than labels. Human dignity is howed to all.
But I’m not really white. Give me a few days under a hot sun and I darken enough to pass for something else.
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Wow thats really fucked up considering I could jump in my car and drive across the border into the US right now and the border guards most likely wouldnt look at me twice
We went across last year twice and they just wanted to know why and where were staying, didnt even ask for proof
So its highly dependant on your origin country (im Canadian) and skin colour (im pasty white)
I usually have more trouble coming back into the US than crossing into Canada.
2/10 if you’re white. 5/10 if you’re not.
I am a meat popsicle
White or not you are going to be sent to Alligator Auschwitz pronto quick. How many instances of no matter who it it and there is a problem with paperwork somewhere you are toast. Simple stuff like tickets, traffic infractions. Just read the news.
There were cases, yes. Probably 0.0001% of all the white people that visited USA during that time. There are many reasons not to go to USA but being scared of ICE is not even in the top 3. If you have to go because of work or for personal reasons just make sure you’re papers are in order and you’ll be fine. If you’re thinking about traveling for pleasure - don’t. It’s a shithole country.
Statistics are great until you are one of them. There are many other reasons not to go as well. I know I will never return to the us as long as I live.
Edit: as I said before. Read the news, not us news but world news. A lot higher than you think.
Tourist are also robbed and murdered in Europe. Tiny fraction of all the visitors but it happens. Would you the same in this case? That statistics are great until you’re one of them?
Not the venue I was referring to, sorta a track jump.
We’re talking how dangerous some places are. You’re saying that people should be worried about the tiny probability of being detained by ICE. Should they also be worried about the tiny probability of being murdered in Europe?
I am talking the us right now not other countries. One can always find an exception to the rule. IMO it is unsafe to travel in the us right now compared to how it used to be. Again IMO why would I take the chance if I don’t need to. Also I do not travel anywhere anymore as I am old and do not feel safe pretty much anywhere these days compared to travel in the past due to either age or times.
I wouldn’t worry about being tan here, we are diverse. And I don’t borrow trouble. But those requirements are insane for someone just visiting.
If it’s for work and he has the return ticket he’d probably be fine - our European/Asian/Australian employees have been coming here for meetings no problem but -
They land in Tampa or Orlando not Miami or Jax
They have round trip tickets and an agenda for what they will be doing (not an hour by hour thing, but a purpose for being here)
I don’t think there will be trouble but why risk it, and why not vote with your dollars or Euros and not come? That is the only language the fuckers at the top speak.
(I do not think it’s nice to say Caucasian is a standard human though)
Most people commenting are probably Americans who don’t know what it’s like to travel in a different country, so they don’t know what “safe” looks like to other people around the world.
Generally I’d say the danger depends on where you travel, how you travel, and can change depending on the location you’re in.
Overall, statistically, the most danger your friend will be in will be when driving.
