Does anyone have a complete list? The article says there’s a package manager and video/TV streaming app and this chat app. What about money transfers and banking? Does this Max app do email?

Are you implying YouTube sponsors equipment and office space for new accounts?

Depending on the phone probably, but it takes a long time for the phone to turn on. Taking it out of the bag and waiting for a network connection by comparison isn’t as bad.

Why is this petition hosted on the USA government site Change.org for USA citizens instead of ECI where there are legal requirements for the EU to take action on petitions?

Also the idea that NATO caused the Bosnian Genocide is laughable. The bombing is the only reason it stopped.

https://thegrayzone.com/2025/08/04/us-ethnic-cleansing-serbs-croat/

Though he was named directly and is still just an economist.

Well he’s a famous guy and knows a lot of important people, directly worked with the CIA and USA government before. And Davel wasn’t saying “The Lancet published this conspiracy” but that the guy that the Lancet - who is very trustworthy - trusts and says is qualified to weigh in, is independently pushing it. So Jeremy was borrowing his authority from having been associated with The Lancet, and he has some authority already from his celebrity-status and previous work, not necessarily from his hard skills (economics).

That’s a far cry from “CIA bioweapon” like the OOP believes.

Okay. I believe that. I haven’t read the article and don’t want to weigh in. I haven’t investigated the claim, anything I add can only be nonsense. I wasn’t pushing a Fort Detrick bioweapon conspiracy, I just wanted to clarify Davel’s comment because I didn’t feel your objection to it was fair, or if it was just a question with no position then I answered the question. Feel free to discuss the article with Davel since you have both read the article.

The authority being highlighted wasn’t Jeffrey Sachs on his own, but The Lancet.

I’d think there’d be at least as much pro-China content on a Chinese platform.

There is a lot of Chinese state-sponsored propaganda on TikTok, as well as pro-China speech by unaffiliated users. This is true of TikTok and of YouTube and Twitter. (The state-sponsored propaganda I’m highlighting isn’t particularly insidious, it’s things like student exchange or paid travel bloggers, Chinese news spending budget to create English language content). But you aren’t more likely to come across it on TikTok than western platforms, because China doesn’t control the algorithm. TikTok was forked off a Chinese product, but it’s controlled by Oracle and the USA in terms of tuning and moderation. The Chinese just collect rent.

Now if your angle isn’t that TikTok pushes those things, but just that kids use it and kids are impressionable, then I don’t have any objections with what you’re saying. I haven’t seen any Chinese state-sponsored content that plays well with kids, but I wouldn’t expect to either since my recommendation feed looks different (and I don’t use TikTok).

Would it really be a shock to anyone if a global superpower spread propaganda to be viewed more positively by people around the world? Russia and the USA do it all the time. Why wouldn’t China?

Completely reasonable.

I’d say it’s quite likely.

But this isn’t reasonable at all, and it’s what you’re trying to defend.

Lemmy has no value. It’s a waste of resources. Your assertion wasn’t that China is has propaganda. I know they do, there are hundreds of officially disclosed initiatives. Your assertion is that Lemmy users aren’t genuine.

You also implied that TikTok - A platform globally moderated by the the USA - is a hotbed for PR Chinese propaganda, which isn’t reasonable either.

Which Zionism apologists are you seeing on .ml? Moderators remove that. I also don’t really believe you’ve seen popular pro-Russia stances, I’d sooner think you’re conflating Russia-neutral stances.

1. The question has accusations in it.
2. The user wasn’t banned over this post, but for saying COVID was a Chinese bio-weapon in another thread. In that same post they also wished slavery on the people of Tibet.

There likely isn’t a public domain photo depicting the same thing.

The first sentence was a response to you asserting voting is essential to democracy, which is false. The rest of the comment was a response to you not accepting Nemo@slrpnk.net’s argument.

If you can’t find an instance you agree with, and you have a mass of people who agree with you but are collectively too lazy to create a new instance, you would communicate your stance with words. Lemmy has a system for leaving text statements. You seem to be familiar. But there’s no mechanism to force the instance operator to obey you.

In a democracy, the community determines policy. Votes are orthogonal. If the community leaves when they disagree, by definition everyone that is remains agrees with the policy, making it a democratic policy. The friction to changing instance is very minimal, so it’s a good indicator of people’s opinions.