How would you know that?

Well, of course everyone that disagrees with these people is a bot, lol

Nope, you can’t train a good diffusion model from scratch with just a few thousand images, that is just delusion (I am open for examples though). Adobe Firefly is a black box, so we can’t verify their claims, obviously they wouldn’t admit, if they broke copyright to train their models. We do however have strong evidence, that google, openai and stability AI used tons of images, which they had no licence to use. Also, I still doubt that all of the people, who sold on Adobe Stock either knew, what their photos are gonna be used for or explicitly wanted that or just had to accept it to be able to sell their work.

Great counterargument to my first argument by the way 👏

Well, but you are not of an opposing ideology, your sub is called “ask Lemmy”, not “ask AI obsessed people”, so your definition doesn’t even make sense. I honestly don’t understand why you people insist on painting me in such a negative light, just because I am new. That is called bullying by the way. I didn’t even intend this thread to blow up in such a way, I guess a lot of people seem to care.

You know that the painter behind a stary night is long dead and this work is public domain, right?

It’s not about anyone getting paid, it’s about affording basic respect and empathy to people and their work. Using AI sends a certain message of 'I don’t care about your consent or opinion towards me using your art", and I don’t think, that this is a good thing for anyone.

Well, obviusly I care. I joined Lenny today, yes. I joined this sub and was immediately a bit disgusted by the banner. So I made a post about it. Why do you care if I care then?

Well, you didn’t even make it or anyone, an AI made it. Kindness towards artists and not kindness towards people using their art without consent.

Yes it does, for the reasons I mentioned

Uhm, yeah… That was the whole point, I was making.

Yeah, maybey it would be a good idea to have a new community vote. Can I just start that or do I have to ask the mods or something? I am pretty new to Lemmy, so I am not really shure how this works.

I think it looks cool to be honest, why not?

Well, I guess you don’t have to. I just think it’s a bit depressing and also pretty disrespectful to artists (I think, I laid out pretty clearly, why I think that). Now, if you don’t care about any of that, I can’t stop you, I guess, this was just meant to be a friendly proposal.

OK, so why do you still have the AI banner then?

Are you sure that’s happening? Under the previous mode of capitalism, what kind of companies were hiring artists?

Movie studios, VFX houses, advertisement agencies, should I keep going? It’s not that all of these people will or can be replaced, but the studios are already hollowing out their staff and the abstract threat of AI gives studios much more power in negotiations with artists. Since AI, much less people are willing to contract artists online, which many young and alternative artists depend on to survive. Why do you think, the Hollywood strikes are happening?

I agree, that copyright shouldn’t have to exist in an ideal society, but we still live under capitalism. Imagnine, if Disney could just scoop up all the good indie movies, and redistribute them under their own name with massive marketing budgets, taking all the profit and pretending, it’s their own work. The original creator would go bankrupt and not be able to make another great movie.

In my opinion, generative AI is doing exactly the same thing, but indirectly. If Disney were to release a fully AI generated movie, they would still have profited from the work of a bunch of unconsenting and uncredited independent artists.

AI “art” is also not art, because real art requires a concios and self aware being to observe the world in a unique way and get inspired to express a new idea in their art. AI is not conscious and therefore cannot observe the world or get any new ideas. There will never be good AI-“Art”, because AI can only recreate and recombine the existing (and yeah, I know, that AI images are technically unique, but they are still only derived from what the AI was trained on). The best, an AI could do, is imitate a human as well as possible. It cab only succeed in decieving us, letting us think, there is some person behind this art, but there will never be anyone behind it.

Yeah, and I don’t expect you to. You are still profiting from artwork, that was involuntarily stolen from artists to train this AI. You are not directly copying them, but you are indirectly using their work without their consent. Like I said, I don’t expect you to pay any money for the banner, but you can either search for existing artworks on the internet, that is creative commons (like on pixabay), or if you find something else (from an actual artist, that fits, just ask them nicely and I am shire they would be happy to let you use their artwork for such a purpose for free. I would also be happy to search for something like that myself and suggest you one, if that’s OK for you. It’s not about paying a bunch of money, my point is just, that we should respect artists a bit more.

Yeah, it doesn’t have to do anything with my point, to be honest, I was just trying to make my post prettier to look at. My complaint is about the banner for this community.