There’s a Foss dating app called alovoa, I think I saw something on the subreddit when I was taking a look at it again a while back about potentially implementing activitypub

Neat!! Thanks for sharing 😊

That may be true but in practice adding friction to a given interaction makes it happen less, and that makes a big difference at scale. You don’t need to prevent anyone from doing it, you need to change the dynamics that result in it happening in a group large enough to cause a problem

If you put them up for sale somewhere I’d love to know about it!

Hope you have a lovely day ☺️

Is that a sticker we can get? That looks dope

If you want to potentially sidestep some of people’s frustrations you might consider just using the credibility rating and focusing on whether a group provides factual reporting, rather than left or right of center

You can also create a user experience that more carefully manages expectations of the feature by having it be opt in, but presenting the option to users when it becomes available. That gives you the opportunity to give a short blurb acknowledging its imperfections and also highlighting its potential value

As someone fairly to the left wing myself, the fact that lemmy is so left wing is both a blessing and a curse. I don’t see Nazis around, but being in an echo chamber isn’t great for your ability to engage with perspectives other than your own, and makes you succeptible to narratives that reinforce your existing views regardless of whether they’re accurate

I’d love this feature, in spite of its flaws, but it does definitely have them. Its based on the US overton window, which will frustrate folks from other parts of the world who may already feel lemmy sometimes forgets the world beyond the US exists. And the US overton window is changing as a product of the trump administration which may warp mbfc results, which could honestly be really dangerous.

Focussing on the factuality and credibility might help you sidestep those problems and make a feature people would find less frustrating, potentially even to the point that you could make it opt out.

Generally I appreciate efforts to build healthier, less echo chambery discourse, thanks for the work you’re doing ❤️

Oh neat, I’d never seen that before

It is, and somehow that escaped me… 😅

I mean there’s the Lemmy mouse mascot guy, but yeah instances are already pretty established

Oh neat! I wouldn’t have caught that, thanks!

I didn’t know that, that definitely helps

Yeah, I agree.

When it comes to building a fediverse service there’s a really delicate balance to find with making it unambiguous you’re engaging with multiple services, vs creating a singular and cohesive enough user experience, and it seems like the peertube devs just learn reaaally far towards the former at the expense of the latter.

Its a bit frustrating.

Edit: I learned from another user on this thread that sepia search can be enabled by an instance as their search functionality. That definitely helps

That’s fair, but I can’t really speak for those people… I can only speak for me.

It kinda feels like your stance in this interaction is maybe about more than just the point that I was making, and while that’d be fair (I’m sure a lot of people have voiced their frustrations in crap ways) that would definitely explain why it’s felt like you’re talking past me

I don’t know anything about alien.top. Are those the mirrored communities from reddit, or a different thing? If it is, I didn’t even know that was your project when I mentioned them

I don’t think you’re really even arguing with me anymore… It sounds like everything in my first comment you also plan to do or more-or-less agree with, and you’re just kinda frustrated with the broader discussion? I understand you’ve interacted with a lot more people than me, but I can’t really speak for anyone else, and I think I’ve voiced my perspective/opinion in a way that was generally pretty polite and constructive

My brother in Christ, it’s a community built service that runs on donations.

Building infrastructure to process those donations is not “enshitification” 😅

Lol, you’re fine, it just made me remember I appreciate them and it seemed as good an opportunity as any to share :)

Have a good one!

Sorry I was still making changes to my comment to try and convey what I mean, its a bit different now. I’ll read this I’m the morning

I don’t want you to not post at all…? My suggestions were to organize with the sports comms (collaborate to make sure it works for them), or potentially create a dedicated comm for all the mirrored stuff. I think picking and choosing what to mirror would also be a great idea.

Mostly I just wanted to express that I thought thinking about the human aspect of how your plan will be recieved is important…

I don’t think I said not to post at all at any point, did I…? (I’m falling alseep, I’ll look back at my comments when I’m more awake) I don’t want that at all.

When I said I hoped you were able to support the discussion you wanted to I meant via post mirroring, though looking at my wording I’m realizing I could have been more specific. I just wanted you to be mindful of folks who are here for organic traffic and would be frustrated if you aren’t intentional about what you wanna build and how.

I think theres maybe been a breakdown in communication

Thank you, that’s very kind of you :)

I literally made suggestions in my first comment along side explaining why I thought it was important to find compromises, and you argued with my reasoning for suggesting compromise so I don’t think it was unreasonable for me to assume you were opposed to my position that considering people’s dislike of bots and non organic traffic in your approach

There’s no conflict of interest if we both want compromise, so I’m not sure why youd argue with my reasons and tell me you “don’t care” about the reasons I’d want compromise on this issue, while also saying you want compromise… I’m sincerely confused by that

It sounds like we agree…?

I don’t mind bots, it’s the details of how they can impact the user experience in some cases that causes issues for me. On several occasions I’ve defended bots being on lemmy and the Fedivers. And I switched instances because curating my feed by moving back to .world was easier than chasing down all the mirrored comms and slowly blocking all of them, and I’m not opposed to those comms existing, but I can absolutely empathize with why so many on lemmy don’t like them. I’m not at all opposed to curating my feed, I also have a couple comms blocked.

My point was really just that it’s understandable people would be frustrated if you’re impeding their ability to do something they expect they should be able to do. Sure it’s fixable, but no one expects to have to filter out a torrent of empty bot posts, because why would they? And most folks here are opposed to that kind of traffic. When you create a new problem that people hadn’t even anticipated could be an issue, people will find that frustrating, and they’ll view it as a problem that didn’t need to exist in the first place

I can empathize with your desire to supplement content with automation, but I’m not getting the impression you’re able to empathize with anyone else’s perspective. There’s probably a way of going about this that wouldn’t cause any realy issue for folks, but you’re definitely not going to find it if you just refuse any opportunity to learn from the perspectives being voiced to you.

You’re now more or less trying to psychoanalyze the people telling you they don’t like what you want to do instead of trying to understand why and find a path that’s more pro-social.

If what you personally wanna do makes half the site unhappy, it’s worth considering whether all of the people replying are wrong, or if you, the person who’s trying to figure out how to do a thing lots of people are telling you would make them unhappy, are in the wrong

I won’t be replying further, I don’t get the impression you care what my perspective, or anyone else’s is, so I’m not going to spend more time voicing it. I hope you have a good day, take care.