Yeah, let’s make things less abstract and talk about real examples.

piefed.social is not sending the real voters out. You think that alone should be grounds to get lemmy.ml (your instance) to defederate them. Am I understanding you correctly?

I’m not sure if this has happened yet

I have more than 15 topic-specific instances, and we are in absolute agreement about why this is the best arrangement for group federation.

Also, thank you very much for leading by example. Lets hope the bigger instances also see the value in the initiative.

Yes, but that’s kind of my point?

if downvotes are public, the admin of your instance can see who is downvoting you and then they can take action. If the downvotes are coming from an instance that hides the real user for every vote, you and the admin are SOL.

If the same user downvotes everything I’ve ever said,

Right. How would you know what “the same user” is? Let’s say that your posts get downvoted at random intervals by 5-10 users in the first 45-120 minutes. They all have different user names. What are you going to do? Create a report against any particular user and hope that the mods look into it?

How would that work? How would an admin separate downvotes from brigaders and legitimate users who happen to downvote a comment?

That creates an incentive for trolls to create accounts at the popular instances using this mechanism in order to destroy their reputation.

Replace “hashing” with “encrypted” (perhaps just using a symmetric key that the admin sets up) and then it gets impossible to know for any outsiders who is the real user behind the vote.

I for one just wish people understood once and for all that anything you do on social media is public.

If you are not comfortable backing up your opinion or action, then don’t do it.

How long until it gets abused, and trolls start brigading though instances that hide their votes?

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My suggestions were to organize with the sports comms (collaborate to make sure it works for them), or potentially create a dedicated comm for all the mirrored stuff. I think picking and choosing what to mirror would also be a great idea.

All of that was done already when I was mirroring the alien.top accounts, and people still complained, and we were here spending a good hour arguing over that whether their complaints are legitimate or not.

“don’t mirror all the posts, but only those that have a threshold of interest” is a compromise.

“Don’t post to communities unless the admins/moderators gave strict permission” is a compromise.

“Don’t post at all, because some people want to be able to drink from the firehouse and not filter the content themselves” is not a compromise, it is a mandate.

If what you personally wanna do makes half the site unhappy (…)

You are looking at half of the people on the site (~25k) What about the the other 99.96% (75 million) of people still on Reddit who won’t leave because Reddit has kept a choke-hold on the communities and monopolized the content?

You are treating this as a static system. There are second-order effects.

but I’m not getting the impression you’re able to empathize with anyone else’s perspective.

I don’t get the impression you care what my perspective,

It’s not a matter of caring/not caring. It’s about accepting that this is an issue with conflicting interests. I am asking about how we can do this in a way that minimizes these conflicts while increasing/keep the upside (for the many) and minimizing the downside (for the few), but you are appealing to thought-terminating accusations (“you are not showing empathy”) instead of looking for a compromise that can make everyone happy.

I could argue that there l was never a time when r/all was free from filters, but I there is another conversation I think we should be having: if you are switching instances because one has bot accounts listed and the other doesn’t, you are still “manually curating your feeds”, albeit in a very complicated way.

You think bots are bad, so you moved to LW. I’ve heard people glad about being on .ee because they like what the bots can bring.

At the end of the day, the deeper issue seems to be that people not only want to feel like they are in control of what they do, they also want to feel validated in their choices. And we keep searching for justifications to back those up, even when it’s completely irrelevant.