Yes, it is probably the oldest or second oldest server suite in the fediverse (diaspora is maybe older).

It was an early supporter of statusnet and pump.io, which are the earlier versions of ActivityPub.

It originally used it’s own protocol to talk to other friendica instances, but a lot of plug-ins came out adding support for everything, even Facebook support for a while.

Weird, I get a splash page of “This site has been blocked by the Department of Defense, in the name of national security”…

Is DEI also vaporware?

For a lot of FLOSS projects, it’s common to keep the initial team small, so a product can be delivered fast, and gets opened up later.

It’s to solve the “too many cooks” and prevent bikeshedding.

A lot of corpo espionage is there solely to tank potential competitors, which include FLOSS projects.

One thing to keep in mind: briar DOES disclose MAC addresses for all interfaces, to enable contact discovery and routing.

Not a show stopper, but it is something to be aware of.

Zulip or Revolt

Signal, no. And yes, Lemmy’s integration via AP is sub-perfect. Ie, I can (and do) follow communities on lemmy, with my Mastodon and pixelfed accounts.

So, work is needed, and only happens if a) same protocol is used, or b) bridge modules are used (like friendica does).

If someone made an xmpp bridge to talk AP, then it’s would be one big network, like how a lot of irc nets get bridged with xmpp nets, which makes those one, singular, federated network. But until they start speaking the protocol the rest of the fediverse does, it’s just another network.

And again, it’s not a bad thing. It’ll even probably get there eventually.

Friendica was one of the very first fediverse platforms, and is over a decade old at this point. Hell, almost 2 decades old.

I’m just saying that there’s deficiencies in those other networks. Just that they are different networks.

Now if an xmpp user can directly message or communicate with a Mastodon user… then they’d be both part of the “fediverse”.

D* generally isn’t, excepting the few instances that also speak AP.

Then email is a part of the fediverse? UUCP nets? IRC nets?

All federated, none speak AP.

I think a good working definition is “speaks the w3c standard AP”. Otherwise, its totally lost its meaning.

I don’t know of anyone who include d*, accepting the tiny number of d* pods that also speak AP.

I mean, nostr is also NOT part of the fediverse, but another federated and decentralized network.

I mean, yeah… the fediverse, specifically, are AP servers, which is why we don’t include diaspora for it.

It’s decentralized and federated, to be sure, just not the “fediverse”.

Element/matrix aren’t part of the fediverse, either. It doesn’t speak AP.

I mean, it is what it is… The name is over a decade old, and was likely selected because it sounded “technical”. Friendica came about only a couple of years after facebook opened up for the wider public.

Friendica was the fediverse, before there was a fediverse… And it was no different from other names of the era, like Sym.pati.co… DiGG, Reddit, etc etc.

Right to free speech doesnt mean every other server needs to accept his content.

I dunno if I speak for everyone else, but all we need are small.communities.

We are not “competing” with anyone or anything.

That’s the root of your issue, and it’s based on a false premise.

Humans are not interchangeable components… that’s a disgusting take, honestly…

Every community I’ve been in can feel through loss in some way, of a member.

This attitude is exactly why you cannot fathom why maybe small instances, ran by volunteers for the community is a viable concept.

Its also why BBSes started their death spiral: people trying to commoditize the community.

Yes. Communities cannot exist without community members.