• kossa@feddit.org
    13·
    7 天前

    😅. Okay, story time:

    When StreetView was introduced this dominated public debate in Germany for weeks. It was all the rage, “how dare they to photograph everything?”

    One official even suggested “it’s awesome, police can now patrol the streets from an office chair”, because that is how much of a backwater country Germany is digitally.

    Anyway, people saw immediately all the crime which all the criminal criminals would do with this tool (which tells you something about the state of mind of the “righteous folks”). Anyway, half the country was blurred, because everybody knew about it. And it is the reason, why StreetView is so patchy in Germany (or at least was for the longest time, didn’t check much in recent years) compared to the neighbouring states, 'cause Google pretty much said “Fuck these fucking Germans with their fucking shit”.

    Apple came around some years later with their version, nobody cared anymore 😅

    • Actionschnils@feddit.org
      6·
      6 天前

      Im happy a lot of people care about privacy here in Germany. Thanks to that, we are few more steps away from the dystopian shitholes many other societies formed into.

  • isar@lemmy.zip
    3·
    6 天前

    What if they update the photos every 6 months or so? Would the photo then be unblurred and you gaave google your address for nothing? Or do they blur 3D coordinates?

    • SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today
      95·
      8 天前

      “Just give us your name, address, and more, and we’ll stop violating your privacy (on the surface). Training AI? Well, obviously. Selling to data brokers? I mean, why wouldn’t we? We’ll delete the document after we’ve stored all the details in our database, of course.”

      • lattrommi@lemmy.mlEnglish
        3·
        7 天前

        Yeah, doesn’t say anything about copies being destroyed.

        Now that I think about it, is that a threat? Is google going to come to my house and set all my documents on fire in 60 days?

  • scytale@piefed.zipEnglish
    149·
    8 天前

    The two counter arguments to this are:

    1. You are giving more personal data to google to prove you live at that address.

    2. A blurred house on street view makes you stand out and can make burglars think you are some rich guy with valuable stuff in their house.

    • Victor@lemmy.world
      25·
      8 天前

      Yeah, I was about to say, I’m not falling for this “privacy” service lol. Nice try, Google.

    • Dextofen@lemmy.ml
      23·
      7 天前

      Yeah this is exactly like the DNR (Do Not Track Request) built into browsers. It was off by default. Turning it on was only done by privacy focused individuals. But it made you significantly more trackable because almost nobody turns it on, your browser becomes a lot more unique.

      Thankfully browsers stopped supporting it. But this is the same thing. Very few people will use it, so that it’ll make you stand out instead of helping you.

    • lattrommi@lemmy.mlEnglish
      3·
      7 天前

      I read somewhere once that some houses are blurred after grisly murders occur there, among other heinous crimes like arson and rapes. That’s what I usually think of wwhen I see a blurred house. I can’t say I’ve ever seen a mansion blurred either.

      • fodor@lemmy.zip
        39·
        8 天前

        Google might or might not know where I live but if I send them a utility bill from my Google account then they definitely know where I live.

      • pineapple@lemmy.mlEnglish
        4·
        8 天前

        Do they though? They aren’t some kind of god how would they know your if you don’t tell them your address or someone else tells them for you?

        • modem_down@thebrainbin.org
          17·
          8 天前

          They might not know it.

          But they would, if anyone with your name & address ever:

          • Stored it on a Google server. (Maybe a business you once placed an order with uses GSuite?)
          • Made a Google/GMail Contacts/Address-book entry with that info. (Maybe you invited a friend or colleague for dinner?)
          • Made those details public (land registry, company officer registry, etc).
          • Etc.
          • communism@lemmy.ml
            5·
            7 天前

            Some people do live off the record. It’s somewhat inconvenient but far from impossible. A lot of people I know have their address off the record such that the government won’t have it on record, let alone a private company.

            • modem_down@thebrainbin.org
              3·
              7 天前

              Not gonna dispute that.

              However, someone like that not only probably wouldn’t want to submit residency evidence to Google, they probably wouldn’t have utility bills or land registry documents etc that could prove residency. Therefore, they’d be outside the scope of this post.

        • Arola@sh.itjust.works
          12·
          8 天前

          One of the most pernicious cookies is the one that allows them to identify nearby devices. Even if you do not allow location specifically, consider exactly how much location data can be pieced together from that alone. It’s impossible to overestimate the amount of data they have on you.

            • Arola@sh.itjust.works
              7·
              8 天前

              Sorry - I meant “permission”, not cookie. If this is on (for Bluetooth headphones, sharing content, smart home etc) you could be leaking your location. If your partner shares their location, and you don’t - but you do allow your phone permission for nearby devices - your partners phone is revealing their own location, and their proximity to to you (your location). Third party cookies can be relevant for this because they allow browsers to identify/differentiate other users on the same network. If one user shares their location (or their location is known by the site they visited), then the other users on the networks location is also obtained.

        • ltxrtquq@lemmy.mlEnglish
          8·
          8 天前

          If you own your house, most states in the US publish a GIS map where that information is public.

  • Raven8628@lemmy.zip
    66·
    7 天前

    Google maps has a picture of my house from about 10 years before i moved in and it looks exactly like all the other houses around me…

    …but i should give google personal information and utility bills to get it taken down?

    Nah.

  • echo@lemmy.today
    63·
    8 天前

    Everyone does know that the front of your house is visible from the street, right?

      • FineCoatMummy@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        11·
        8 天前

        IMO the same concept as Cris_Citrus makes here, applies when ppl say “your address was always in the phonebook”. Or how a film photo stuck in a drawer in Joe Sixpack’s house is different from a digital photo analyzed by sophisticated machine learning algorithms by dozens of data brokers to build a dossier of your life. Even if in both cases “someone could always take your picture in public.”

        Scale, and ease of access, have real impacts. Even if technically, the data was “always available.”

        False equivalences, all of 'em. But pro-surveilence advocates love making them.

      • echo@lemmy.today
        10·
        7 天前

        Yes and some people would do away with the 1st amendment right to public photography entirely. That doesn’t make it right…

        EDIT: Yes - my comment about 1st amendment only applies to U.S. I have no idea if other countries protect public photography in the same manner.

        • CrypticCoffee@lemmy.ml
          30·
          8 天前

          I’m not from the US so care little for the constitution. What is in the constitution and what is right are two different things.

          • frank@sopuli.xyz
            16·
            8 天前

            Okay this one has always cracked me up.

            The constitution people always love talking about the amendments like they’re gospel. But like, if the constitution was so great, why do you care about the changes to it? If we make a new amendment does it instantly become as sacred emotionally to them?

            • echo@lemmy.today
              5·
              7 天前

              Your questions aren’t horrible and the do have actual answers. However, your tone suggest that you don’t actually give a fuck so it’s not worth wasting time answering them. Let me know if you were actually being genuine…

              • frank@sopuli.xyz
                4·
                7 天前

                I omega don’t give a fuck, so good call! It was definitely rhetorical.

                I think worshipping a 250 year old document is weird as heck.

          • daivika_sareeram@lemmy.ml
            1·
            6 天前

            …How? It’s made for the government not to take away rights. Like it’s bad, but it’s the bare minimum. It could be worse. There’s a 14th, 19th, first 10 amendments for a reason. I don’t like the US harming my privacy and the constitution, even though it takes a lot of effort to force, still prevents even more exploitation from happening…

            • queermunist she/her@lemmy.ml
              1·
              5 天前

              No, it was made for the government not to take away the rights of rich property owners, slave owners, and traders. It took a couple centuries and a civil war to reform the Constitution to a somewhat reasonable state, and the Supreme Court keeps chipping away at every protection that has been applied to you and me. Law is class power.

        • Technoworcester@feddit.uk
          18·
          8 天前

          Oh shit! I never knew we had access to the first amendment in Europe. (I also have no fucking idea what the first amendment is).

            • Technoworcester@feddit.uk
              1·
              7 天前

              Every days a school day and thankyou (no /s here) but as politely as possible I really don’t care about the US Constitution, even less it’s amendments.

              • echo@lemmy.today
                4·
                7 天前

                I really don’t care

                Are you sure? You’d fit right in with a lot of proudly ignorant Americans… “Duh… I don’t know which I’ll proudly declare a badge of honor and commit to remaining stupid.”

                • Technoworcester@feddit.uk
                  2·
                  7 天前

                  Very sure thanks.

                  I have enough things to learn, live and experience from a European perspective (as the culture and the language changes a shit load more than across the USA from geographical perspective)

                  I wouldn’t call you ignorant for not knowing information from some arcane document over x years old from a European country. Why am I ignorant not knowing it from your culture?

          • echo@lemmy.today
            3·
            7 天前

            The U.S. 1st amendment actually does have some implications for your speech even though you’re in Europe and (presumably) not a U.S. citizen.

            • Technoworcester@feddit.uk
              2·
              7 天前

              Hahahaha. I think I laughed so much I dropped my French baguette from the London red bus im sitting in. /s.

              Exactly how does it have have implications in a country it’s not a law of?

              • modem_down@thebrainbin.org
                3·
                7 天前

                Exactly how does it have implications in a country it’s not a law of?

                Because it had, and continues to have, a significant bearing on the development of technologies that are used internationally, many of which shape the society you live in.

                • Technoworcester@feddit.uk
                  1·
                  7 天前

                  So do the laws of China but I don’t know much of their laws. So also does the EU but I assume most yanks don’t know much about those ones either.

                  I don’t judge but I do get annoyed at USdefaultism

        • Cris_Citrus (he/him <3)@piefed.zipEnglish
          9·
          8 天前

          Theres a little bit of a difference between doing away with the first amendment right to public photography and people using a massive corporation’s own take-down process for removing a publicly hosted images of their house 😅

          • echo@lemmy.today
            3·
            7 天前

            You switched gears in the middle of your statement. Either photography from the public spaces is legal or it isn’t. The only reason I don’t consider these take-downs a first-amendment violation is because Google is providing the mechanism to do it. They legally have every right to take the picture of your house and tell you to go pound sand if you don’t like it.

            • Cris_Citrus (he/him <3)@piefed.zipEnglish
              1·
              7 天前

              I mean… Sure. I’m not in disagreement with that. And people are welcome to not appreciate a corporation doing that, and use the takedown to remove it if they dont want it there

              I do understand that Google can legally take pictures of whatever is public

  • bdonvr@thelemmy.club
    42·
    8 天前

    Tbh the outside of my home is publicly viewable anyway. I can’t think of why I’d care much.

    • Ŝan • 𐑖ƨɤ@piefed.zipEnglish
      9·
      8 天前

      It hurts Google, a tiny bit. If enough people do it, it starts to hurt a lot.

      I doubt a block like þis prevents Google from training þeir DL machines on your house data, but it might prevent 3rd parties from getting pictures of your home from Google to train þeir’s wiþ.

      It’s a legal, eþical means of corporate disobedience which works against þe commoditization of you. You care, because you don’t want to be a product, even if you don’t realize it.

  • dubs@lemmy.dbzer0.com
    41·
    8 天前

    “permanant”

    Brought to you by the same companies that “accidentally” re-add you to their spam lists.

    • ramble81@lemmy.zip
      3·
      7 天前

      Sadly it is permanent. Moved into a house that was blurred and wanted it unblurred. Sadly they have no process to do that.