I think we’ll know what to do with the means of production once seized; I wouldn’t worry about that.
The tools that will not dismantle the master’s house are the bourgeois democratic ones. We can’t seize the means through their political system. We have to overthrow & replace their system through revolution, not reform.
Justice does not naturally arise from unjust circumstances. Justice is a punishment forced onto those who have wronged their fellow man, exacted by those who have been wronged
in today’s world, those who have been wronged have been conditioned to redirect their anger at forces that are trying to liberate them.
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This is not a defense, but pointing out the issue in thinking that the it is some inherent issue in some tech, rather han who owns it and how it is used.
And I did not make the meme.
The issue is also - to suit what purpose the tool was made. Tools didn’t emerge from nowhere.
Labour saving technology? Shouldn’t it be in the hands of collective?
Saving what labor though? Labor that produces slop images? Labor that produces spaghetti code no one else can evaluate or debug? The social value of the labor saved by generative AI is negligible.
Would it not likely improve after iteration or finding specific usecases?
Have read about AI helping to find slme vulnerabilities in Linux kernel etc. Tho, that may not be GenAi.
What an absolutely fucking moronic analysis.
Note for those who missed it:
This is in reference to another thread, featuring an AI-generated meme: https://lemmy.ml/post/53349754
Also, worth noting that Audre Lorde’s famous “master’s tools” quote is often misunderstood: https://thinkpeakstudio.com/blog/quote-explained-audre-lorde-september-2026/
Also also worth noting… The whole idea of memetics is that cultural artifacts like images and tools influence the behavior of individuals who encounter them.
So insisting that tools don’t influence behavior while posting memes to try to get that proposition to replicate is just deeply strange.
Thank you for the link
The whole idea of memetics is that cultural artifacts like images and tools influence the behavior of individuals who encounter them.
So insisting that tools don’t influence behavior while posting memes to try to get that proposition to replicate is just deeply strange.Who said that it has no influence in behaviour? And we cannot make adjustments to handle or mitigate/enhance some of it?
Is it like how some people connect video games to violence and ignore the influence of other factors?
The tool has influence, but there are a lot of other factors too.
Or are you saying that tools should not be used?
Okay fair, you didn’t assert no influence.
But you can surely understand how I could see AI as a tool which is exceptionally capable of carrying the philosophy of the “nerd reich”, compared to most other tools.
So it’s only a short walk from there to “well if AI isn’t a meaningfully potent vessel for their ideology then basically nothing is, so there’s no case that merits an abundance of caution.”
AI as a tool which is exceptionally capable of carrying the philosophy of the “nerd reich”
Social media and the internet is also similar in that POV, right?.
Do you have similar views on it. How do you rate them?Anyway, the USAmerican Reich and similar folk controlling it is indeed the issue, right?
It’s only strange in the forced misreading of the meme you’re using
As op already clarified - the point isnt that tools have no influence over behavior, only that the behavior isn’t a deterministic one implied by those invoking Heidegger or Lorde
Influence being nondeterministic doesn’t make it less real. If a certain intervention has a 1% chance of producing a specific behavior, then across a large enough population you will see the behavior increase by exactly 1%.
Individual choice is real. But so are the impacts of cultural artifacts.
Right
The question isnt then ‘how do we avoid being taken in by the artifact’s influence?’, but, ‘what does the inclusion of this artifact change about how we must address the systems we are looking to dismantle?’
Maybe I’ll just leave this exerpt from Lorde and ask whose misunderstanding you’re pointing to in this conversation about AI
Women of today are still being called upon to stretch across the gap of male ignorance and to educated men as to our existence and our needs. This is an old and primary tool of all oppressors to keep the oppressed occupied with the master’s concerns. Now we hear that it is the task of women of Color to educate white women—in the face of tremendous resistance—as to our existence, our differences, our relative roles in our joint survival. This is a diversion of energies and a tragic repetition of racist patriarchal thought.
I can use the master’s hammer on the master’s skull by expropriation. I can’t really use the master’s federalists society to much effect
Yep. You can also use the master’s hammer to hammer in nails too.
Hmm I never thought about it that way
“It’s the Master’s tools that will tear down the plantation” was how I thought the phrase went?
