It was just after 2 a.m. on a pitch-black Friday morning when Bernadette Greene-Placentiaās life changed. The Democratic candidate for Congressional District 8 strolled across a parking lot to repair a damaged campaign sign. It was a routine sheād followed all summer. This time, she only made it a few yards.
An attacker smashed her over the head. She blacked out. She woke up to find a strange man on top of her.
Greene-Placentia struggled to open her eyes. She felt a sharp pain below her waist. The attacker was pulling his penis out of her.
She heard him mumble something like, ā-ic bitch, not a very good fuck,ā which her mind filled in as āDemocratic bitch,ā she recalled. She wasnāt sure that was exactly what he said.
One leg was out of her jean capris. She wore brand-new tennis shoes and a campaign t-shirt. Another man came over. Greene-Placentia felt his weight nudging her left leg further apart. She began swinging her foot at him. āNot even worth it,ā she heard the man say as he moved away. He wore black boots and had small feet, she recalled.
The two men left Greene-Placentia face down in the parking lot. The hatch of her silver Jeep Grand Cherokee was still open. The car was still running. She heard music.
She doesnāt remember pulling up her pants or picking herself off the asphalt parking lot. She doesnāt remember closing her Jeepās hatch and putting her foot on the gas. She doesnāt remember pulling her car into the driveway and collapsing into her bed.
āItās just these little tiny flashes of things that I do remember,ā Greene-Placentia said in an interview with Phoenix New Times. āAs much as I donāt want to remember, Iāve tried very, very hard to remember more stuff. But thatās where Iām at.ā
I donāt think they should be in prison; wood chipper.
while I would agree for this particular crime, in general death sentence is very problematic. I have read somewhere that during certain periods as high as 1/20 death sentences can be wrongfully given. So I am ok if they live like monks in some tiny cell for the rest of their lives while wrongfully accused people at least get some chance for getting out and compensation (which is not ideal but way better than death I would assume).
Iām not a fan of giving the government the power to execute people either, but man I understand why people want it when stuff like this happens. I still think itās the wrong decision but I canāt get mad at people who support the death penalty.
The solution to that is death penalty for the people who decide on it but are wrong, but this needs to come along with a robust all encompassing government whistleblower program as well as stricter rules on government officials and more forced transparency.
In the day an age of being able to deep fake convincing evidence on a whim, I dont think the government should have the power to kill anyone. Period.
Plus, death is too easy. Watching the world move without you in it thoughā¦
Reread the second half of my comment, those parts are necessary for the first part to even be imagined as remotely functional. Full forced transparency, no classified information, absolutely nothing can be hidden from the civilians (a necessary yet ALWAYS ignored part of democracy btw) on top of extreme protections for whistleblowers and a massive payout system for anybody who catches any wrongdoings by the government.
And you missed mine.
That its impossible to hold anyone to the standard you propose, because to allow it all, means it can be manipulated for others purpose.
Why give the execution power to someone else?
Thatās such a wildly disingenuous question. You know the answer but just in case you are being serious then consider āWhy give the incarceration power to someone elseā. Surely you arenāt arguing for absolute anarchism and rampant vigilantism, right?
Anyway, back to the original pointā¦itās not impossible if all government correspondence and data is fully public and never hidden along with a robust whistleblower system. We have to do something with the Epsteins,Trumps, Netanyahus, and Putins of the worldā¦why continue allowing them to take more from us all by incarcerating them where they also have the chance to return to their old heinous lives or even to just move the entire operation into their āprison cellā.
I genuinely want to know your view point.
And after that, is a good example of a slippery slope argument. Which is to say, no Iām not.
But you wanna know whatās reversible? Incarceration. We can give money and an apology. You wanna know what you canāt undo? Death.
So to me, unless you have a system that can promises 100% guilty people are guilty, even with people using the system with dishonest intents, than no, Im not on board with the government killing anyone.
So why should we keep those people locked up? Because I dont want to give that much power to an entitity that is currently killing and raping trans siblings in prison. Never mind if they legally can kill them all.
Tl; Dr if you give a power, it can and will be wielded to abuse you. And there should be more limits there.
Lmfao, incarceration is not reversible. And you already are giving that power to governments, itās kind of inherent to the entire concept of a governing body, itās even present in your stated preferences.
Nothing a democratic government does or says should ever be hidden or obfuscated from the civilians in any way shape or form, everything needs to be done in the public eye and all officials need to fully surrender their rights to privacy and security for life. Add in the robust whistle blower system and you have very little room for foul play, it would have to be done openly in which case it will be nearly impossible to do without the public just giving up and not caring at all (at which point nothing matters anyway, no words on any piece of paper will ever hold any power).
We have full admissions regarding the global child sex trafficking ring that has notable control over majority of governments and corporations on the planet, this is the sort of situation that the death penalty should be used for. It should be extremely rare, only used for legitimate crimes against humanity. The regular justice system should be about rehabilitation but you just canāt come back from certain actions like hiring a god damned chef for human fetuses. Same thing with execs for the oil industry or companies like Dupont, theyāve knowingly taken so many steps towards destroying human lives, wild life, our knowledge base, and even the planet itself all in the hopes of gaining just a teensy bit more money. Thereās no coming back from that, thatās a deeply broken being that is literally incapable of non-selfish considerations, why should we continue losing because of them?
So who? The jury? The judge? The prosecutor? You would simply have no one attempt to give the death penalty in the case they could be wrong, which is almost always technically a possibility. Which is mostly just the same as not having it.
Yeah, as a concept Iām fine with the death penalty. There are people who absolutely arenāt worth the trouble and should be deleted but we need to do a lot of work on how our justice system functions before it can be trusted to determine guilt well enough for that.
Easy out, labour camps.
Forced labor is slavery, and thatās not ok even for prisoners. Besides being a human rights violation, it incentivizes governments to convict more people of crimes and to impose longer sentences (I agree that sexual assault crimes are under-prosecuted, but that is one of the only categories of crime for which that is true, at least in the US). It also does nothing to promote rehabilitation.
Very good points. My comment was thoughtless.
This is the way.
May I offer a compromise? Send their genitals to the wood chipper and put the rest of their body in prison.
in the name of efficicacy, we should use the woodchipper to remove the aforementioned genitalia.