Youāre a barbaric nation for many reasons already, this will just be another nail in the coffin.
I always thought their oath of allegiance, done every day in school, sounded so much like something kids in North Korea would be forced to do.
This is just another thing to add to the pile.
Lol the fact that youāre even comparing them to a country that they literally genocided speaks to the effectiveness of American propaganda. Glad yāall eyes are starting to open up, but America has always been the evil country doing evil things lol.
I mean the majority of us are British decendant, who historically are not known for being kind to their neighbors lol
The worst of the Brits, if I remember the history of the first settlers correctly.
Lol, we have been since the settlers landed.
Many of us want to be better.
Not enough to do anything about it though, it seems.
I wish I knew how and what to do. Born into a society with unions rapidly declining in the 80s and 90s. That is where a lot of front end action starts to take place, and the U.S. doesnāt have nearly the same union presence it did 40-50 years ago. Itās a 2 party system, and both parties suck. The status quo here has been dismantling peopleās collective ability to organize, for generations at this point. Whether or not anyone will admit it, they are scared and subjected to enough propaganda on a daily basis to be coerced into being anti-union.
The brick by brick wall built between citizens and their own well being is astonishing. 9/11 was middle school for me so a lot of the bricks were observed in my lifetime.
The most well organized militias happen to be aligned with the current administration, which is baffling for any number of reasons, but not trying to deep dive that.
I think it would take a large group of our politicians to admit we got way off track, issue formal aplogies to friends, neighbors, and allies. Then request formal 3rd party help. At this point, short of that happening I truly do believe the US will implode on itself within the next 50 years.
Executive action needs to be removed or reworked entirely. Term limits across all governing bodies, Supreme Court, senate, house, all of them need an expiration date and term limits. For the judicial I would go as far as to say they are selected at random from pools of high level judges. What we have now is just a collective of leeches.
I hear what you say, growing up in similar environments. Humans have always been oppressed by other humans when theyāre allowed to. The only reason we ever had freedom is because we bled and fought for it. America will need to bleed for this to be solved. Trump is ready to be violent and oppressive. The people need to be that back, but in much greater numbers to match and overwhelm.
What you say can be avoided, but it needs millions marching with guillotines to get back on track and avoid. There will be no peaceful transfer of power, and I think we can all see that.
I wish it were different. I truly do.
Iām trying man. I vote, I volunteer, I protest, I work my ass off to educate myself and others around me. Iām careful about how I spend my time, attention and money and support people and causes I see as useful. I train, practice and prepare for if and when things get violent. I work with others in my community to make myself and those around me more resilient. I see hateful signs and stickers and I take them down and actively confront hateful dipshits around me.
So what do you suggest I do more? And would you do that yourself?
In a just world that would be more than enough. Sadly Trumpās America isnāt just anymore. Itās extreme. What it sounds like to me is youāre preparing for war, while i Trump is actively waging war.
Would I do more than you are now? No. But I have much to lose and people who depend on me and I canāt actively resist. Were I to find myself with inoperable cancer, or at my end, family deported etc, Iām not sure with anything to lose I could say Iād be inactive. Thatās what most surprises me about Americans now, is that thereās so few people willing to go to the extremes when they have nothing to lose. It boggles my mind actually.
I see. So you are advocating that others do something you yourself arenāt willing to do. Thatās kind of the problem, you arenāt the only one who āhas anything to loseā. Everyone has something to lose and itās incredibly difficult to do what I think youāre getting at. Yeah most people arenāt doing even the bare fucking minimum but everyone from the outside looking is like āwhy arenāt they picking up guns and just shooting?ā.
Well thereās some very simple and some very complicated reasons for that. Most people arenāt psychopaths or murderers until things are bad enough and they are affected directly and even then people have to get pushed pretty far.
Iām not American and Iām not visiting until Iām sure itās no longer fascist. America is not my responsibility. Itās the responsibility of Americans, and I donāt see anything responsible happening down south at all.
There must be millions of citizens affected by Trump policies now, and thereās been two sad assassination attempts only. Thatās what Iām getting at. Whereās the disgruntled ex military guy, or the no more Medicare guy? Theyāre all absent. Iām not asking family men and women to get results.
Sorry but doing anything about it would be ābarbaricā according to people like you.
Try harder, thoughts and prayers wonāt cut it, youāre way past the no-return point.
Weāve been making it better for the last 250 years. There have been setbacks and regressions, but the overall arch has been progress. If we make it through this backslide we can still continue improving.
Many of us are frankly better. Its par for the course these days for the entire nation to be judged by the behavior of its worst, and if challenged, people will say if we donāt like it we should be in the streets protesting violently. But itās a lot of armchair quarterbacking IMO and I try not to let it bother me. Weāre donating and volunteering to support a blue wave in the midterms. If this doesnāt impress Europeans on Lemmy I have no shits to give.
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If any society from more than 60 years ago doesnāt seem barbaric, it means society hasnāt progressed and shit is fucked up.
Even oldschool public executions is tame compared to this though, because itāll be live streamed globally and recorded.
When you look at shit happening today and itās 1,000 times worse than a century ago, itās fucking noteworthy.
Stop acting like this shit isnāt a huge deal and itās always been like this.
The Vietnam war was less than 60 years ago. Plus all of the wars in the middle east, our torture black sites, overthrowing democracies for profit, etc.
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You think itās a clock and is only real after 60 years?
Progress is a constant thing. Itās pushing a cart up hill. If youre not further up the hill every step, itās not progress.
60 years, 60 months, 60 days, 60 minutesā¦
The length of time doesnāt matter, just that progress happens.
Every well adjusted person should have a shit ton of regrets, because they keep progressing as a human and find prior behavior unacceptable. Thatās the same for a nation.
Do you legitimately not understand that?
What is the progress tho? US has been genociding an entire people for the past 3 years. It is as fucked in the head as it ever was.
What is the progress tho?
There hasnāt been anyā¦
From the early 90s to 2025 the neoliberals controlled the DNC. They kept moving right, so Republicans did the same to differentiate.
We finally have a non biased DNC again (Obama just ignored it, or wed have gotten in in 2009 and shit never would have gotten this bad)
That means a neoliberal wonāt win the next presidential primary, because they could never win a fair primary. It took Hillary hiding behind Billās charisma to get them the DNC in the first place.
But all of that was orchestrated by the wealthy to stop progress. They just plan on generational timelines.
US has been genociding an entire people for the past 3 years.
Gaza? The government has been enabling it, but acting like itās already America commiting a genocide, just means when/if our government crosses that line, people are numb to it.
Thatās a widely used propaganda technique, and trump himself does it all the time. Everytime he says āwe may do thatā is so some people get outraged early, and that prevents people from getting outraged at the same time.
Like, I fully understand your intent and that you think youāre helping, but youāre only helping the oligarchs when you blur lines like this.
Not to mention thats everything thats public information. You go behind the scenes and youāre begging to lose all hope and meaning.
I guarantee there will be all sorts of meme videos about it. Lots of AI videos, too.
But how will they feel smart then?
Thereās enough pedos in politics without bringing drake into thisā¦
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I think that thereās a difference between being barbaric while trying to appear civilized and being barbaric and proud of it. Both are bad, the latter is worse.
If you canāt see the difference, from an ethical standpoint, between livestreaming an execution and keeping it away from the eyes of the general population, youāre a bit of a sociopath.
You are a barbaric nation, livestreamed or not. You still have the death penalty for starters, and every school shooting is met with thoughts and prayers and nothing else.
Youāve always been this way and itās taken a monster shining a torch on it to show you. And your plan is just to get rid of the monster, as if that makes it all OK againā¦
30% barbaric. 30% not barbaric. 40% undecided.
30% barbaric. 30% not barbaric. 40%
undecideddonāt see an issue with barbarism.FTFY.
We just donāt have the luxury of that argument, Iām afraidā¦ The problems here are systemic and exist within each of us to some degree.
got a loicense for that opinion, mate?
Yeah, the U.S. sucks but people from the U.K. can shut the fuck up about it.
American here. People from everywhere and anywhere can say whatever they want about the US. If that makes you feel bad, you can log off and not read the comments.
I love a lot of things about this country, I work hard and am actively working towards trying to make the America around me less shitty. But the comments and criticisms on America and the people that live here and who is in power are valid. Donāt like it, fine and you may fuck off and go do something productive.
Classic murica.
Hate to break it to you, but this has always been a barbaric nation that was founded on colonialism and genocide. Putting an execution behind closed doors does not change that.
After 3 years of full fledged US-backed livestreamed genocide it is quite astounding people are upset about an execution being livestreamed
Every nation is barbaric. Show me one that isnāt.
Maybe we can stay on topic, big guy, weāre shitting on America right now.
Sorry you already are
You already are a barbarian nation for still having capital punishment in the first place.
This new development would just put you a few notches farther away from civilization.
And for torturing people. And for supporting genocide. And for bombing children. And for putting people in concentration campsā¦
Imprisoning Trump and his goons wont make a difference. Treason and mass murder need to be dealt with in a permanent way.
Not the unprovoked bombing of a school?
Yeah but that was like over there. This is here. You know?
True! Alright so Iāll roll coal with my rented and lifted F350 tonight!!! w00t w00t
the US has streamed several executions already. they just happened to be extrajudicial carried out by police/ICE
Those were streamed incidentally, not officially.
When police body cameras are always on and you execute someone, youāre not streaming it āaccidentallyā. You know you have a camera on your body while you murder someone and choose to do it anyway.
This is a really odd argument that I canāt understand, there is a categorical difference between an official broadcast of a scheduled execution and the video from a police body camera being released following the police killing someone. I donāt understand how you can say they are the same thing, whether the cop remembers in the moment they have a camera on is irrelevant. Capturing an incident as part of routine recording and then releasing that video after the fact is not at all like scheduling an execution and broadcasting it live for the world to watch.
I donāt understand how you can say they are the same thing
The people doing the killing knows the cameras are on, watching their actions. And they go ahead and kill someone anyway.
Just because the US justice system hides tax payer paid public servants from concealing their lawfully required body cam footage is a US justice problem. But the cops know theyāre being recorded at all times and theyāll kill an unarmed civilian anyway.
I am not following. From my perspective, the people doing the killing are in very different circumstances and the purpose of the cameras are completely different. The message being sent with an execution being conducted like this seems completely different than the message being sent when there is a release of bodycam footage showing police killing someone.
Police body cameras donāt stream. It is a closed system.
Sure. But they definitely know theyāre being recorded when they execute someone.
With the absolute certainty that they wonāt get shown if it could hurt them. And even then theyāll turn them off when they want to do something really bad.
We passed the ābarbaricā marker a long time ago.
Yes, but this publication is conservative. When theyāre saying itās barbaric, itās bad.
Iāve been waiting 40 years now for that leftward swing.
Best weāve done so far is Obama passing a heritage foundation free market based āhealthcareā system.
Donāt forget extending and building upon the Patriot Act!
Itās a barbaric nation either way. Thatās long since been determined. The question is how specifically fucked up is it.
I mean, look, ICE has been publicly executing people for the last year and change, right? Thatās some fucked up shit, and the people in power show no signs of stopping it. Thatās barbarism.
The people in power have nothing to gain from stopping it. The people who are NOT in power have everything to gain from stopping it- but the cowards choose not to.
but the cowards choose not to.
While there are definitely vast amounts of cowards, do bare in mind that propaganda (i.e. turning on the tv in that country) and isolation (union-busting and other anti-organizational tactics) make average Joe feel like they canāt change anything by themselves.
Which is true, bust most muricans donāt realize they can achieve quite a bit if they organize.
Of course theyād have to care about their neighbors and get off their obese individualists asses firstā¦
January 6th?
Minab school attack, Iran, killing 156 people including 120 children.
Federal immigration agents have shot at least 25 people, killing 9 (including US citizens Renee Good.
The 1985 bombing of a neighborhood in Philadelphia by police.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1985_MOVE_bombingThe 1968 Chicago police riot.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2018/aug/19/the-whole-world-is-watching-chicago-police-riot-vietnam-war-reganBasically most of this.
The fuck you mean āifā?!
Rest of the worldās got news for you folks.
The people that Iāve unfortunately talked to that either support or donāt condone it do not care that this is ābarbaricā. They condone violence, and they want more of it.
You cannot shame or reason with these people. American religious conservatism is a cancer and you cannot reason with or shame with a cancer.
You are a barbaric nation for not ending the death penalty
May as well put the brutality on display, will help people realise why itās wrong
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no, fuck no, thatās not how you fix that
Exactly this. We still have awful humans among us. And barring some kind of gene-editing/therapy, that wonāt change.
People used to take their families to lynchings. Vendors would sell food at the event. Theyād put their kids up on their shoulders to get a better view. And theyād go for ice cream after. Just like they went to the movies or something.
The culture may be better (well, except for conservatives and their heroes like Hegseth and donnie), but humans are not any different from that time.
There are people that will absolutely love this and beg for more. Approximately 52% of Americans support the death penalty.
I donāt think making a fun spectacle out of it will fix jack squat.
Beg for more is an understatement. The hunger that builds for cruelty cannot be overestimated. They get rabid for it.
On the other hand, showing such material could convert MAGA Republicans into eager guro enthusiasts. Surely that would cause some sort of āon sightā doctrine to be established for the Pubs.
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And for not ending slavery, as the constitution clearly states that slavery is illegal, except when incarcerated.
The country was literally built on genocide and slavery. OP, Remove the āifā and replace the comma with a period.
