I never in any way implied you have to watch Dave Chappelle videos. āSeeā could also mean be aware of or read about. I assumed given the wild popularity of the guy you already were aware and probably already saw at least parts of the segments in question.
You just straight up made up intentions for a joke and justified it very flimsily. You ignored the context and explanations given by others which made sense, while clinging to your vague assumption that this was about someoneās looks in a fake photo, which actually does not hold up to any scrutiny at all.
If you go around inventing bad intent youāre going to be upset and you donāt get to blame other people for that. Youāre actively doing it, not someone making a harmless joke. You claim this joke harms trans people but at no point did you near giving a reason why thatās true, you just claimed it would because people can have feelings they cannot explain. If in the fediverse, a highly leftist and trans-friendly place, dozens of people approved and youāre the singular outlier, maybe consider that youāre wrong.
You just straight up made up intentions for a joke
If you go around inventing bad intent
Okay, here I can see we have a miscommunication. I have not communicated well enough if you have ended up thinking I find the intent of the joke bad. I see nothing wrong in its intent.
The only problem I have is with the result: With what the joke actually ends up being beside its intended meaning. As I said in that first comment of mine:
beside its main point
So, donāt worry, we probably think much more alike than you assume. The only problems about the joke are in what it accidentally conveys, because of thoughtlessness of the person who made it. Iām not blaming its intent. The intent is, actually, pure gold.
I assumed given the wild popularity of the guy you already were aware and probably already saw at least parts of the segments in question.
We are probably from different regions. This was the first time I ever heard of the comedianās name. Over here, for example Ismo Leikola and Sami Hedberg wildly popular comedians. Iāve got the same reason to assume you know one of them as you do that I know Chappelle. Different comedians have gigs in different places. You really shouldnāt assume a random person on the Internet knows someone merely because that person is popular in your social bubble.
Youāve even got a problem with me assuming you knew one of the biggest comedians of all time? Wow. I donāt get the sense that the names you mentioned are internationally famous whereas Dave Chappelle certainly is. Not to mention that a lot of people stopped liking him specifically due to transphobia. Which I was trying to use as an example to show that not only do I agree that such ājokesā exist, but also that I condemn them.
You still never gave a single reason that this joke wouldāve hurt anyone, intentionally or not. It doesnāt. It does not make a comment on how anyone looks, and youāre just an unpleasant person, unfortunately.
Youāve even got a problem with me assuming you knew one of the biggest comedians of all time?
I donāt think he can be one of the biggest comedians of all time if he is not known except in some specific region. I would know about him if he was as famous as it seems in your social bubble.
You still never gave a single reason that this joke wouldāve hurt anyone, intentionally or not.
For accidentally omitting this, I am of course very sorry. So, here comes a reason:
The joke makes it look like thereās something funny or wrong with a womanās face looking male to a lesser or bigger extent.
Dave Chappelle is world famous, no doubt about that. Absolutely nothing to do with my āsocial bubbleā and given that America invented standup comedy (look it up) and itās emulated around the globe, nothing much to do with my region either. Iām guessing that even in Finland Dave Chapelle is more known that those people you mentioned. It could be that you donāt know about world famous comedians because youāre humorless?
The joke makes it look like thereās something funny or wrong with a womanās face looking male to a lesser or bigger extent.
You said that. The problem is that you saying something with no actual basis doesnāt make it true, not in the least. People laughing at something doesnāt make it A) cruel/derisive or B) for whatever ridiculous made up reason you want to pull out of your ass.
This was all explained to you repeatedly and besides being just unpleasant, I now see that youāre a troll. Bye.
Ps. No one likes talking to someone who thinks their very unpopular opinion is fact, nor people who come off as 20 yo and think they know everything. Maybe get a sense of humor as well as work on those two things.
Every person lives in a social bubble. You putting your in āhyphensā shows that you are just not aware of living in one. And that means that it has more effect on you than it has on people that are aware of them.
Iām guessing that even in Finland Dave Chapelle is more known that those people you mentioned.
Seriously. No, he is not. The reason is simply that he makes no shows in Finnish and we are tremendeously more able to get the full depth of jokes in Finnish than in English. Your āwhole wordā is just English-speaking countries. It is absolutely possible that the guy is known in England as well, but I donāt think more than 2 % of people in France or Germany or Netherlands or Italy know about him. Because he doesnāt have his shows in the local languages. Because he cannot.
Weāve got enough of very good standup comedians here. Someone in USA might be technically better but so much will be lost in translation that in the end we will be laughing more at our own standup comediansā shows. Because we understand their nuances better. And itās not even only about the language: There are plenty of small cultural aspects in USA that do not exist as such in Finland, and many references to them will be missed or misunderstood.
I like standup comedy a lot, and I would absolutely know if that guy was famous in Finland.
You said that.
Sorry, I assumed you had forgotten.
The problem is that you saying something with no actual basis doesnāt make it true, not in the least.
Well, you saying there is not basis when there is a basis is an argument. But a rather weak one.
People laughing at something doesnāt make it A) cruel/derisive or B) for whatever ridiculous made up reason you want to pull out of your ass.
It can make it, depending on whatās going on in the head of the person laughing. There are many ways to laugh at things. While in many manners you do give me an impression of a moron, in many ways you are not one. There is no reason to assume you are a hillbilly idiot. I do believe you would not laugh at me in a derisive manner if you saw my face. Many others do. And those peopleās reactions to this joke image is what makes me feel afraid, not your reaction. And also not the intent of whoever made the image.
You know that multiple people told you a much more logical reading of the joke than the one you went out of your way to contort it into.
Congratulations, youāve taken a vague feeling of frustration at people who value feeling self righteous over comedyās existence in general, and with the moron/hillbilly comments, the feeling is now that I actively hate you. What a deeply shitty way to be. I donāt believe for one second you like standup comedy btw, because standup comedy necessarily contains jokes that could be twisted into something they arenāt. How do I know? Thatās literally what the concept of humor is. Youāre now blocked. Thanks for making the world a worse place.
Why would they say something clearly meant for you to read if they donāt understand the basics of blocking?
Youāve told readers here that you do not care about comedy and also that you very much want to feel victimized (āwhy do you think I look funnyā gives that away hard). Everyone who disagrees with you is a transphobe, according to you. This attitude undoubtedly has a huge negative impact on you and those who interact with you. Which would be pitiable, exceptā¦
After reading this full exchange, I couldnāt agree with them more about the issue and about you. Blocking you now myself.
I never in any way implied you have to watch Dave Chappelle videos. āSeeā could also mean be aware of or read about. I assumed given the wild popularity of the guy you already were aware and probably already saw at least parts of the segments in question.
You just straight up made up intentions for a joke and justified it very flimsily. You ignored the context and explanations given by others which made sense, while clinging to your vague assumption that this was about someoneās looks in a fake photo, which actually does not hold up to any scrutiny at all.
If you go around inventing bad intent youāre going to be upset and you donāt get to blame other people for that. Youāre actively doing it, not someone making a harmless joke. You claim this joke harms trans people but at no point did you near giving a reason why thatās true, you just claimed it would because people can have feelings they cannot explain. If in the fediverse, a highly leftist and trans-friendly place, dozens of people approved and youāre the singular outlier, maybe consider that youāre wrong.
Okay, here I can see we have a miscommunication. I have not communicated well enough if you have ended up thinking I find the intent of the joke bad. I see nothing wrong in its intent.
The only problem I have is with the result: With what the joke actually ends up being beside its intended meaning. As I said in that first comment of mine:
So, donāt worry, we probably think much more alike than you assume. The only problems about the joke are in what it accidentally conveys, because of thoughtlessness of the person who made it. Iām not blaming its intent. The intent is, actually, pure gold.
We are probably from different regions. This was the first time I ever heard of the comedianās name. Over here, for example Ismo Leikola and Sami Hedberg wildly popular comedians. Iāve got the same reason to assume you know one of them as you do that I know Chappelle. Different comedians have gigs in different places. You really shouldnāt assume a random person on the Internet knows someone merely because that person is popular in your social bubble.
Youāve even got a problem with me assuming you knew one of the biggest comedians of all time? Wow. I donāt get the sense that the names you mentioned are internationally famous whereas Dave Chappelle certainly is. Not to mention that a lot of people stopped liking him specifically due to transphobia. Which I was trying to use as an example to show that not only do I agree that such ājokesā exist, but also that I condemn them.
You still never gave a single reason that this joke wouldāve hurt anyone, intentionally or not. It doesnāt. It does not make a comment on how anyone looks, and youāre just an unpleasant person, unfortunately.
I donāt think he can be one of the biggest comedians of all time if he is not known except in some specific region. I would know about him if he was as famous as it seems in your social bubble.
For accidentally omitting this, I am of course very sorry. So, here comes a reason:
The joke makes it look like thereās something funny or wrong with a womanās face looking male to a lesser or bigger extent.
Dave Chappelle is world famous, no doubt about that. Absolutely nothing to do with my āsocial bubbleā and given that America invented standup comedy (look it up) and itās emulated around the globe, nothing much to do with my region either. Iām guessing that even in Finland Dave Chapelle is more known that those people you mentioned. It could be that you donāt know about world famous comedians because youāre humorless?
You said that. The problem is that you saying something with no actual basis doesnāt make it true, not in the least. People laughing at something doesnāt make it A) cruel/derisive or B) for whatever ridiculous made up reason you want to pull out of your ass.
This was all explained to you repeatedly and besides being just unpleasant, I now see that youāre a troll. Bye.
Ps. No one likes talking to someone who thinks their very unpopular opinion is fact, nor people who come off as 20 yo and think they know everything. Maybe get a sense of humor as well as work on those two things.
Every person lives in a social bubble. You putting your in āhyphensā shows that you are just not aware of living in one. And that means that it has more effect on you than it has on people that are aware of them.
Seriously. No, he is not. The reason is simply that he makes no shows in Finnish and we are tremendeously more able to get the full depth of jokes in Finnish than in English. Your āwhole wordā is just English-speaking countries. It is absolutely possible that the guy is known in England as well, but I donāt think more than 2 % of people in France or Germany or Netherlands or Italy know about him. Because he doesnāt have his shows in the local languages. Because he cannot.
Weāve got enough of very good standup comedians here. Someone in USA might be technically better but so much will be lost in translation that in the end we will be laughing more at our own standup comediansā shows. Because we understand their nuances better. And itās not even only about the language: There are plenty of small cultural aspects in USA that do not exist as such in Finland, and many references to them will be missed or misunderstood.
I like standup comedy a lot, and I would absolutely know if that guy was famous in Finland.
Sorry, I assumed you had forgotten.
Well, you saying there is not basis when there is a basis is an argument. But a rather weak one.
It can make it, depending on whatās going on in the head of the person laughing. There are many ways to laugh at things. While in many manners you do give me an impression of a moron, in many ways you are not one. There is no reason to assume you are a hillbilly idiot. I do believe you would not laugh at me in a derisive manner if you saw my face. Many others do. And those peopleās reactions to this joke image is what makes me feel afraid, not your reaction. And also not the intent of whoever made the image.
You know that multiple people told you a much more logical reading of the joke than the one you went out of your way to contort it into.
Congratulations, youāve taken a vague feeling of frustration at people who value feeling self righteous over comedyās existence in general, and with the moron/hillbilly comments, the feeling is now that I actively hate you. What a deeply shitty way to be. I donāt believe for one second you like standup comedy btw, because standup comedy necessarily contains jokes that could be twisted into something they arenāt. How do I know? Thatās literally what the concept of humor is. Youāre now blocked. Thanks for making the world a worse place.
The more logical reading is sensible indeed.
That does not mean other readings cannot exist at the same time.
Also, I wonder if they understand that by blockine they donāt really block me from seeing them ā only themself from seeing me.
Why would they say something clearly meant for you to read if they donāt understand the basics of blocking?
Youāve told readers here that you do not care about comedy and also that you very much want to feel victimized (āwhy do you think I look funnyā gives that away hard). Everyone who disagrees with you is a transphobe, according to you. This attitude undoubtedly has a huge negative impact on you and those who interact with you. Which would be pitiable, exceptā¦
After reading this full exchange, I couldnāt agree with them more about the issue and about you. Blocking you now myself.