The reality is you only lose contact with people who don’t matter enough anymore. When I left around 15 years ago I reached out to those I wanted to keep in touch with and made sure I had their number. Anyone else if they looked hard enough could find me elsewhere if they wanted, or already had means to contact me directly. Most did not.

But guess what? My relationships with people are deeper. It’s been wildly positive for me. The only issue I had at the time was missing out on events from acquaintances, but that’s not an issue anymore with alternative apps

You will be locked out of your local community without Facebook. I’ve been off it for over a decade but needed to get rid of a couch without paying $150 to do it and Facebook was 10 minutes and it’s gone. But a couch is one thing. Anything local requires Facebook.

For me, gradually gathering other contacts methods for my close friends and family. And then eventually permanently delete Facebook – no need for data or whatever, it was mostly garbage anyways.

Same process with changing email providers.

It’s the same way everyone talks about how dating apps suck and it’s ruined dating, etc. But what is the real alternative?

TIL I’m a eunuch

Meh. “That’s where everyone is” it’s more like that’s where all the bots and algorithmic gatekeeping are. I get way more engagement on mastodon than I ever did on twitter post-2012 algorithm shakeup. Before the algorithmic censorship, I got lots of engagement on twitter. But that twitter hasn’t existed for a long time. When I got on mastodon it was like oh. The algorithm is the entire problem. No wonder OWS and the Arab spring were so big. No wonder the algorithms came after them.

It’s owned and ran by a openly nazi guy, and is clearly manipulated with his bots, but politicians almost everywhere are still using it. Its crazy

I mean, better Facebook marketplace than buying new. Marketplace has basically entirely replaced Craigslist for buying used stuff, it’s really the only game in town. If they only use it for the marketplace, things could be worse.

Then funnel them onto the fediverse from corporate social media, as you mentioned. The house is on fire, get them out of it.

Educate people (campaigns), organize tech workshops showing people how to use the other tools, set up local servers that can be used for organizing existing groups. Frame corporate social media as part of the data center problem… There’s so many ways to approach it but as long as you keep using those tools, you will never carry through with getting people onto the fediverse. You can never just move them to decentralized spaces if not enough people use it, so use it (I know you are already though as we’re here :)

Change is hard. But global climate collapse and WW3 are far worse options.

I can see how easy that is from how mainstream Lemmy is right now /s

Their reach on the platform will be limited at best by the algorithm, making sure only a minimal number of people see their posts. That’s why they need to diversify their medias print.

But telling them to stop using FB altogether… Nah. Even if Meta does this sort of crap, they can scream like they do now. If that scream reaches just a handful of people so that they finally get how bad that company is, or push them just enough to start exploring alternatives, that’s a win.

Don’t you ever get tired of spreading this same goddamn lie over and over and over and over and over?

Oh, this is not just a leftist issue.

Well, technically that is an answer.

So we’re good now right?

Well, you don’t always get to choose, for me it’s among other things, my municipality and sports club posting updates and info exclusively on meta platforms. I complained, believe me, but it dalls on deaf ears.

Peter Thiel is one of reddit’s long time investors. They like to keep this out of conversation.

It’s up there with Musk buying Twitter and Zuck being Facebook. They manage to sell themselves to normies as the social media that’s not like the others.

Yeah, but there are also r’s for reddit and look where that got us.

It connects people with like minded people who also decided to show up so from a networking and community building perspective it’s not worthless. Lots of people meet the contacts that will later recruit them to knock on doors or phone bank or run for office in the future who would never show up to a town meeting or city council meeting.

I hate to say it, but yeah. Look @ France. They fuck shit up whenever the government tries to fuck with them, and have a higher standard of living as a result.

Sure it does. People build networks at these events. One of the tactics of fascism is to make dissenters feel they are alone and maybe crazy for feeling the way they do. These events tell people that they are not alone, and it is actually the authoritarians that are crazy, not them.

For a non-violent resistance campaign to succeed, you need to build up the numbers and reach a threshold of people working together to impede the actions of the authoritarians. You don’t accomplish this by engaging in violent actions, that just scares people away and gives justification for the authoritarians to do violent reprisals. Violent acts actually help the authoritarians gain more power, non-violent resistance drains their power.

Check the website: www.nokings.org

They are the new colonizers. We are the new colonists from which labor and wealth are now extracted through organized deceit, coercion, and sooner or later, force.

Maybe. Doesn’t mean he doesn’t want a king.

I think this time is different though. Previously it was working in concert with people who tried to keep the atrocities behind the curtains and pretended to slap facebook on the wrist when they bent the rules. So everything was somewhat concealed in a facade of a justice system that seemed to care. And tech companies played their part by pretending to care. That did slow things down for tech oligarchs to some extent. They had to navigate their way through the justice system to make sure they still didn’t end up in a legal tangle.

Now Trump comes, he openly expresses the fact he doesn’t give a single shit about any kind of law and is intent on ruling the country like a thug and distort the law for this purpose too. He gives a mandate to every tech company “support me and you can run rampant without even pretending to care about the law, or don’t and perish because I will use the said law to completely destroy you”. And I think none of us were surprised when every big tech kissed the ring because this was their wet dream.