All I know is Jeffries and Schumer aināt it, until the Dems replace them everything is still in jeopardy.
Jeffries is literally buddies with Kushner, a leading AIPAC donation taker, and also beholden to weird Nazi tech bro Peter Thiel, throw the whole dude away.
I did a google search. Then followed it up with Kagi until I ran out of scroll.
Every headline minus a couple fringe items, repeats that Jeffries will be the next speaker.
Almost all of them.
We are so fucked.
Not saying that is not a foregone conclusion but your method is flawed here.
Every search and headline today would be parroting what he said yesterday. There literally has not been any time for anyone to say differently in public (even if asked, most would not voice an opinion on election day)
If I search today, like you did, looking for the orange pedophileās response to the midterm election, it would seem he will respect it and allow the transfer of powerā¦ however, he may change his syphilitic mind and throw another insurrection tomorrow
There has been time. Thereās one UK opinion piece on infighting between Dems.
Thereās one Indian news site that brought up the change.org petition to not have Jeffries.
Thereās an ex Bernie campaigner site that has a āProgress stops with Jeffriesā headline.
Thatās it. But if theyāve had time, everyone has had time. Theyāre choosing to rally behind Jeffries. But thatās corporate media working their damnedest after the fact, because heās their dam on the tsunami. So, full headline support.
Change.org is typically a point of interest. Note how the 450k signatures overnight are ignored by American media.
Seeā¦ just a little more time was needed
https://newrepublic.com/post/217644/calls-replace-jeffries-schumer-explode-democratic-wins
New republic is a fringe publication only Redditors (and their Lemmy defectors) read.
This is one of the main points of news that hold info the middle of the bell curve block of the public do not consume.
Meaning, for the purposes we are discussing now, it may as well not exist.
Thatās it. But if theyāve had time, everyone has had time.
You mean the 3 examples you found from people either not in the USA at all or one standalone campaigner? yes, how is it that the people running for a historic election are not already working and posting publicly about this specific thing?!
Change.org is typically a point of interest. Note how the 450k signatures overnight are ignored by American media.
The petition has 49K not 450K; but I think itās typical to be ignored because I can sign it and I am Canadianā¦ there is almost no legitimacy to these online petitions
PS: turns out there are, at least 2, petitions against Jeffries.
The one you point out with 450K signatures is 2 months old (so not overnight)
The one I found, is from yesterday, and has 49K so far
May I suggest that, if you are posting some backing evidence, post directly to it, not to an open repository
https://www.change.org/p/house-democrats-choose-a-new-speaker
I think weāre looking at different petitions. For some dumb reason, a splintering of addition, similar petitions started the same day.
Here it is.
https://www.change.org/p/house-democrats-choose-a-new-speaker
Clearly corporate has been busy with distraction from how much we donāt want Jeffries.
Also the corporate run news is going to pretend like the corporate choice for speaker is inevitable.
There was a good video put out by AOC last night about how the speaker is voted for, based on that I think the answer is finding out who the caucus leaders are and getting their attention, because the voting basically comes down to all of the cliques of Congress/Senate getting together to decide who is speaker/Majority Leader, so we need to get in the ear of the leaders of those political cliques within the Democratic party, because based on AOCs responses, the cliques have the power and the smaller cliques and independents are on the outside looking in.
They have such a commanding majority that they could leave 40+ members out. If the progressives have any guts they would hold their vote hostage to reconsider other choices. It would look pretty bad if there was a wave and then a fresh speaker battle so it might motivate them to reconsider.
All she is saying is that my āwe are fuckedā statement is correct.
Iāve seen a few headlines of congresspeople and congresspeople-elects saying basically that they want to exercise caution and hold some more discussions about who to nominate for the leadership roles.
Itās basically a diplomatic way of saying theyād rather support someone else. Just need to build some consensus on who.
AOC. Iām old and I donāt follow her religiously or anything, but everything Iāve seen is a positive. Sheās not as charismatic as some, but thatās ok.
I like her CSPAN footage. CSPAN. Like I said, Iām old.
I also like AOC a lot. Iād be super happy to see her as Madam Speaker, if enough House Dems can get behind her.
I think she has her own kind of charisma, but she seems to self-censor sometimes because earlier in her career she was targeted with a lot of republican hate. She was one of the first progressives to break ground in Congress. Sheās a strong, independent Latina woman. In short, sheās everything republicans fear.
So there was a lot of red scare BS thrown at her, not to mention the tons of misogyny that tends to follow any woman whoās successful in politics. Sheās also had to make waves even in her own party just to be heard. Some centrist Dems viewed her as disruptive. So she doesnāt seem as outspoken on the House floor as she once was, which I view as a strategic conservation of energy. She still does a lot of great work on her committees, and thatās probably where youāve seen her shine on CSPAN (a great resource, more people should watch it).
She also does a lot of legwork behind the scenes reviewing policy, organizing the progressive momentum, listening to her constituents, and actually fighting for their needs. She still has a lot of energy, but she directs it where itās appreciated now. Progressive rallies, reaching out to the younger generation of voters on social media, educating anyone who will listen, etc.
In short I think sheās a really great politician, and a great person in general. We might need a few more electoral cycles before we have enough progressive Dems in the House to support her for Speakership though. And by then I hope she primaries Schumer anyway.
Sheās not as charismatic as some
She isnāt? Compared to who?
Also, it doesnāt hurt that not only does she back the right policies and is smart and eloquent AF, but sheās a freaking smoke show. Iām not sure Iāve ever seen a more attractive woman in Congress.
I love that she looks feminine. This idea that we are a supposed to tone it down and wear grey and have the most boring hair possible to be āprofessionalā is bullshit.
Honestly, if Fetterman can show up looking like itās laundry day, why canāt women show up in more feminine gear, if they choose?
Red lipstick, hoop earrings, and that chic white suit are a start. I dream of a future where our female politicians can roll in glittering like Avasarala and not get any shit for it.
Maybe itās time for the Democrats to go through the equivalent of whatever internal civil war process put Mike Johnson in the chair.
They would sooner exile every progressive than let that happen, just look at the lack of alarm bells when one of the progressives is being unlawfully investigated for deportation.
āTheyā lost a lot of seats to the progressives, too. All these new representatives join forces with the returning progressives, and the corporate establishment wonāt look quite so inevitable.
There is a petition with half a million signatures on Change.org if people want to sign. I know it probably wonāt do much, but it might feel more cathartic than posting on Lemmy. https://www.change.org/p/house-democrats-choose-a-new-speaker
Or better yet, call your representatives and tell them you will primary them in the next cycle if they vote for Schumer or Jeffries for Majority Speakers.
Change.org petitions arenāt worth getting on our enemies radar for, they donāt change anything, and even the media stopped paying attention to them, and that was the main thing they were worth.
Calling reps is better, but my reps are MAGA dirtbags, and most public leaders donāt care about folks outside of their constituency calling them outside of the increases in call volume, Schumer and Jeffries know that we think theyāre shit, theyāre paid by AIPAC and others to not care, people should be calling the caucus leaderships, because some of them arenāt compromised yet, and theyāre the ones voting for Speaker of the House and Senate Majority Leader.
Ultimately we have to make noise while not having anymore platforms of our own, having government/politicians we donāt trust, and journalists who are derelict in their duties. We still have an uphill battle to keep fighting.
Resistbot petitions are better because theyāre sent directly to your representatives.
Get Vought
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I hope they remember to get that guy. The guy at the center of so much bullshit and fuckery going on under donnie 2.0. Co-author of Project 2025.
Anyone that signed onto that doc should be considered guilty and investigated and prosecuted. They are extremists hellbent on destroying this country.
The cons clutched their pearls over Obama āfundamentally changing Americaā and then mounted efforts like Project 2025 to actually do that.
10000%. He is the architect of dismantling things like USAID, research grants, etc. Elon was the stooge to execute it, but Vought designed and championed it.
Both of them need to be convicted of treason.
That guy should be arrested for domestic terrorism.
Conspiracy to overthrow democracy.
He literally wrote a fucking book on how to do it and then advised Trump. And the things he wrote were carried out.
Plenty of evidence.
Evil people canāt help but brag about all their secret plans.
Reviewing means they are waiting for cooperate input$$.8 hope the progressives have more say.
Well. Iām certainly always persuaded when employees investigate their employersā¦
This is like when the police investigate themselves.
Im taking all bets on anyone getting convicted of prison time from the Democratās investigations.
Theyāll take some random small time guy that is a sports betting bookie or something and claim that solved the systemic problem.
Odds on any corpo stepping down or being fired, but business continuing as usual?
Iād need 100/1 odds to take that bet.
Start with Leon Mofo Hitler and every single DOGE shitbag.
reviewing a plan to investigate. Yeah, nothingās gonna happen
My god in heaven, give them a chance. An investigation cannot happen without this step, so at this point in time they have literally done everything they can.
You doomsayers and doubtcasters are the absolute worst
Youāre right, sorry for being a pessimistic asshole.
You are a real one. I hope we normalize taking responsibility for our shit in real time. Thank you for modeling that for us.
Props for that, I appreciate it. I know how easy it is to give in to despair and assume nothing good will come of this sort of thing, because historically itās been rare. But the important thing to remember is that MAGA and the corrupt corporate democrats want you to feel like that because it makes their jobs so much easier. Keeping the hope is a direct stand against them, so itās worth it for that reason alone. But Iāve found that once you start to vocalize it, and see others vocalize it, it makes it easier to actually believe that things can get better. Especially after the midterms we just had.
I also apologize for coming at you so strong. Iāve been seeing so many people trying to break the hope, and Iāve been trying to push back against it, and itās just exhausting and frustrating š
np, it was me who came with the 'tude in the first place. Just had a rough day and itās easy just to write shit on the internet. Usually I am against doomerism, but this time fell for it. Itās easier to just give up, but we shouldnāt.
Yeah itās definitely been harder to try to stay positive about the state of the world recently, especially on rough days. If you can, try to find folks expressing hope, and add your voice to theirs, if possible, as well. If itās still just too hard of a day, just unplug as much as possible, but still try to keep the hope alive internally.
Either way, I hope your day improves ā¤ļø
This civil resolution to an online conflict gives me hope š
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I agree to a point. Today this is fine. And youāre right about general doomsayers. But I need to see them moving VERY AGGRESSIVELY to get shit done.
Weāve spent too many years listening to āthese things take time, be patientā only to find out that nothing actually fucking happened.
Yeah I hear you there for sure. Itāll take a little time to get stuff going, especially since itāll be a bit before peeps are even sworn in, but Iām definitely expecting things to move much quicker than they have in the past. If they donāt, then yes, we would need to make some noise to show weāre still insisting on this stuff
We should aggressively make noise right now.
Like absolutely fucking demanding they replace the milquetoast corporate dem leadership that have been part of the problem in the past
Yeah youāre right, we should definitely be vocal about that kind of stuff right now, online and to our representatives. When I said āmake noiseā I meant it more like protesting and stuff, but I could have worded that better, my bad
give them a chance
Theyāve had 50 years to increase taxes on the wealthy to pre-Reagan levels while our debt EXPLODES. Monopolies havenāt been busted since the 80s. Theyāve just spent God knows how many tens of millions of dollars fighting a billionaire tax in California (and they won)
I donāt think youāre the worst, but I do think youāre adorable. Never change.
I donāt plan on changing, donāt worry. With your way weād just be trying to make snappy comebacks to each other while the world dies around us.
If being adorable helps bring about actual change, then all I have to say is UwU
Concepts of a plan
Will the investigations be inversely based on how much money they donated to the the democrats?
Jeffries IS the corporate protection plan for the blue tsunami.
Exactly. This just seems like a foreword to let them know new donations are required with the changing of the guard and to plan accordingly.
Just the corporates that didnāt donate to them.
Great.
How about lets clear out trump and his gang. Number one priority on starting to make America work again. Should be first and foremost in even the stupidest blue sweater sellouts (looking at you flitterman, shumar, jeff-fries, ) and the civil servants we just hired to clear fascism and gang operations out of the white house.
No shit. Yāall got your marching orders. When that gate opens youād best be asshole deep in alligators on day one because if you arenāt, Tuesday meant nothing.
If they arenāt asshole deep in alligators on day one, both sides need to burn everything to the ground.
all epstein pedofiles would do first as they are heavily linked to wall street and all those in power as corrupt to the core.
Wow, thatās their do nothing plan? Good odds it will take 2 years to investigate. And be something they can talk about as needed.
My first laugh of the day, thanks guys
Get Carr
We also need to get Carr on the stand. And figure out how and why a show as popular as Colbertās was cancelled. Didnāt seem it was for āfiduciary responsibility to the shareholdersā or whatever the fuck.
Do they have good people looking into it? The best? Really, seriously, nobody has ever seen people this good at investigating before because theyāre gonna find all the corruption?
Donāt tell me about plans you hope to have, show me the fucking results.
No. Itās their headline plan and byline to repeat while they DO NOTHING for 2 years, keeping the Republican seats warm in the meantime.
My partner told me in the same sentence as the blue tsunami news. I chose to hope. Thatās gone now. Reality has taken over.
Itās going to be another crushing 2 years if the progressives donāt fight the Dem old guard. Itāll just be a game music off crush, quieter this time.
So look, Iām ambivalent right now.
Blues are incoming. This is better as at least things will stop getting actively, aggressively worse since Reds wonāt have full free reign. I will take what victories I can right now.
However, your entire point remains entirely undisturbed. I donāt believe they will actually do much. What keeps me ambivalent versus bitter is that nothing has had a chance to happen yet. They havenāt been sworn in, nothing but words have been thrown around yet. Talk all you want, Iāll believe it when I see it.
People didnāt believe AOC was gonna be anything. Now Iām not glazing her, but those same people also predicted she would fail immediately. All I said was she has to make it through her first term before we can really take a measure of the girl, and look where we are now. Those folks were wrong and she is a voice that people have no choice but to reckon with one way or another as she has a following and sway within it. Like her or not, those are facts.
There is a glimmer here, and I think what we can expect from the voting public of this generation is the genuine desire for not the same old shit. Thatās why we got Trump in the first place; he wasnāt the same old fart who made empty promises. He came in with passion and common speech rather than boilerplate PC phrases and promised to change the status quo. Monkeyās Paw activated on that one for those who voted Trump, but I am seeing that in the current vote as well.
Again, Iāve got no crystal ball to see how it will turn out, but the hope I once had has somehow limped its way out of the rubble of this administration. Doesnāt mean itāll get very far, it just isnāt dead yet, yāknow?
Youāre right.
There were people in 24 who voted for both Trump and AOC. It had nothing to do with their āfactionā and everything to do with being authentic, not DC cronies (the inner cliques AOC discussed), and not the same old bullshit. Destruction incarnate and fraud and treason in Trumps case but certainly not the same old bullshit.
