Indulge me for the coming delusion, but if we ignore who this is, forget all the reasons we know that we can’t trust him, and allow ourselves just a few moments to hope that we could live in such a world.
A world where manual labor is no longer needed, where people can just exist as large mammals are meant to exist. Robots will handle it all and we can just do as we please… and the robots are going to be plentiful because once enough of the process of making a robot becomes automated, the cost of it will go to zero. But to get there it is going to require a ton of money… these robots are going to be way too expensive for people to actually buy them, so investors and governments will help out. The investors will eventually lose everything, but that will put us on the way to having everything we need to be created through completely automated systems.
Of course, there will still be jobs for those who really want them - or more likely, who want them and are good at them - or even more likely, who knows the right people… but if we can get our basic needs taken care of it night not fully end poverty but it would be a step in the right direction.
But, alas… It’s Musk saying it so it’s only to further enrich himself and won’t actually happen.
Do it coward, bet you won’t
Isn’t this the same guy who tweeted that he would end world hunger for something less than $6 billion if the World Food Programme would supply a plan? And then WFP supplied the plan. And then Musk just…didn’t supply the funs to prevent people from starving.
I miss pre-obama times when I didn’t know every corrupt jackasses name from spouting BS on Xitter.
Isn’t this the same guy who performed two sieg heils in front of a live audience on live TV. Then he was to much of a sissy to admit it.
Not quite, someone posted that he could end it and he responded that if the WFP provided a plan showing the specifics of how world hunger could be ended for that amount he would fund it. WFP then provided a plan for how that amount could be used to help reduce world hunger for a short time and Elon said “the claim was end world hunger, not reduce it temporarily” which meant they didn’t meet challenge.
The easiest way to end world hunger is to have a daily ritual where we sacrifice the wealthiest person alive every day until world hunger ends. Every day a new wealthiest person will be made so we will not run out too quickly.
All hail Patecatl!
if by “sacrifice” you mean “forfeit all their assets and distribute them equally” your plan might have some merit
No, we chop them into tiny pieces and eat them. You are not hungry with a billionaire pig in your stomach! 🐷
why not both? :)
M’eh at this point we can assume his bots are to carry out mass extinctions. Not to say the g word.
I’m not even going to look up what “Optimus” is. I don’t waste time on this clown anymore.
You just know already he’s gonna scam, grift and cheat to get that pay package, not do anything worthwhile.
And if he can’t get it, he’ll cry and sue to get it anyway.
You’ve already seen it most likely, that stupid bipedal robot that isn’t autonomous yet and can barely navigate on a concrete floor.
It’s simply a way to get a trillion dollars by spending a few million on a project that gets scrapped.
"Instead of physically jailing prisoners, Optimus could “follow you around and stop you from doing crime,” he said
This is going to last all of 30 seconds as that is the amount of time it’ll take for a criminal to hop a cyclone fence and take off never to be seen again. Or we can have the 10 minute scenario where criminal and friends take sledgehammers to the thing and sell it for scrap.
Literally slap-drones from the Culture lol
Can the rich should stop running all the cool stuff, please? Optimus, Anduril, palantir, lambas, mithril… Every childhood memory tainted by evil businessmen
… and liars lie.
Perhaps he should get Full Self Driving to work first… 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I think you may have misunderstood…it’s actually fool self driving.
Ooh ooh and that hyper-loop bullshit. Oh and that tunnel boreing thing.
…Fake solar tiles, manned missions to Mars, fake electric semi trucks, mind controlling brain implants…
I still can’t believe the man tried to sell tunnels lmao. Actually sold one to Vegas 😭
Premiere of Ontario wants then under hundreds of kilometers of highway.
But not for trains or public transit??
That’s already killing people, he’s looking to the future with his robot army
By “eliminate poverty” he means let robots do all the jobs the poors do and let the poors die.
“Eliminate poverty” vs “E-L-I-M-I-N-A-T-E poverty”
Eliminate, as in make liminal. He’s gonna make the poors mad liminal, brah , and he’s got the shrooms to prove it
Uugghh! Every time I hear him speak, I am reminded of just how stupid he is. He thinks like a 12 year old.
Not one mention of how robots that do all the work for us, is going to solve the problem of how people are supposed to be able to afford to live, when no one has a job anymore.
Are you volunteering to pay for everyone’s UBI, Elon? No? That’s what I thought.
He is not a smart man. He maintains a facade of supreme intelligence, somehow, and continually tricks people into believing it. If anything, it’s more a reflection on the American people than anything else, and that’s incredibly disappointing to type out.
I just don’t think this is the case. He’s an incredibly smart man but his intelligence lies in assembling talent and raising investment to allow said talent to create the vision. He’s basically in the same vein of Steve Jobs. Our media driven culture likes figureheads so he gets all the credit and has started to believe his own hype. Bill Burr the comedian has a great bit about their function.
Musk is a horrendous man but clearly very autistic and desperate for a validation that money and success can’t provide. There’s something very tragic about him. The bitterness and resentment that sits at the base of his ego, frustrated at not being popular or ‘cool’ despite his success and money drives a LOT of his bad decisions. It’s all an attempt to control.
Musk is not smart at all. He is nothing but a fraud that tries to convince the internet that he is smart.
The guy has an degree in economics.
He tried getting a degree in Physics, but he was not smart enough for it.
Only 2 years after he left school, and after the school got a huge donation, did he get the degree.
The guy has lived their entire life on cheat codes. None of his “achievements” are his.
tesla/spaceX have literal teams whose only job it is to keep this moron from driving the company into the ground.
he’s an idiot.
Capitalism is truly the most efficient system. Needing whole teams to control the owner just because he’s the one that owns the workplace due to having money
The irony here is that truly is the most efficient system for the guy holding the money, and so yes capitalism truly is the most effecient system…for capitalistic gains.
He’s a Nazi who will get what Nazis get
His talent is getting money to fund things by lying and exaggerating which doesn’t require intelligence. That is a learned skill, frequently learned by kids of the wealthy like Musk and is generally successful long term when their early lies paid off and investors are betting on the person continuing to lie in a way that makes them money.
there are also people who make their living by following rich people to get them to fund projects. I read about construction companies that would follow Trump around and have people slip him ideas so he felt he was this amazing business man. All the politicians are following this method.
You know that people do this with Elon and any other rich person. Stroke the king’s ego by pretenting it was all their idea and get rich off of it.
You’re confusing intelligence with cunning.
He is cunning to a tee.
He is cunning to a tee.
“Hey let’s livestream me playing Path of Exile after saying I’m the best in the world, with uncensored live chat from thousands of pseudanonymous gamers with actual experience.”
He’s good at creating the illusion that he’s a genius on a subject for the duration of an informal conversation. Steering away from topics he doesn’t understand, forging signals of deep understanding by mimicking the speech patterns of an expert who struggles to put things in lay man’s terms while namedropping memorized keywords, etc.
If you look at Path of Exile and the Cybertruck, it’s clear that Elon doesn’t know when his promises are unrealistic in a way that will make him look like an idiot. I think he has handlers, not just at SpaceX but everywhere, and those handlers are the real talent. Those handlers know how to cultivate experts that are actually good at their jobs to quietly do the work that Elon takes credit for and how to coach them to make Elon feel good about this arrangement most of the time.
I would have thought cunning is a form of intelligence? Using strategy and planning to apply knowledge? I’m intrigued, will have a look. Cheers. I just think people are desperate to pretend Musk is stupid because he’s turned out to be a nasty piece of work. They want to strip him of his intelligence as a way of getting back at him. I can’t take people seriously who think he’s stupid. Tesla and Space X. Come on.
Every time I hear him speak, I am reminded of just how stupid he is.
I know this is common knowledge on Lemmy, but damn it’s still nice to read. When I talk to folks around town, they all think he’s a genius… it’s really jarring.
The article is useless because it provides no sources, and only links back to itself. But yes, basically he says UBI “will be necessary”, as if the world’s first trillionaire would ever support such a thing.
This is an insult to twelve year olds. Seriously. I was never as stupid as this guy at 12. I would have STARTED with how to deal with the people displaced, not omitted it entirely.
That is a fair point. I apologize to 12 year olds everywhere. That was an unkind comparison.
Dude. It’s the USA. Those people will simply starve then. Problem solves itself. Like magic, but without work!
Also WHY would we want robots to do the work for us ? The problem is generally the working conditions, not the mere fact people have to do it.
You know what would end poverty? A trillion dollars
If you’re talking world wide you could give everyone on earth that is currently in poverty about $1200. That’s enough to help a great deal in poor countries, but it would be very temporary. If you’re talking just the USA, you’d be giving everyone in poverty $30k. That would certainly keep people out of poverty for a while. But under capitalism where people have to work many would be back in poverty in a year. Cash infusion would only work if it was permanent like a UBI.
Even if you spent that money to build free housing all over the country, it wouldn’t be enough to end poverty, though that would probably be the best use of the money. Just flood the market with housing availability and living gets way cheaper.
You could eliminate a bunch of systemic issues with a trillion dollars that would amount to essentially ending many of the effects of poverty for most people in poverty I would think.
Things like food insecurity, shelter, etc.
You’re right that just spending a trillion dollars as a one off grant to everyone in poverty wouldn’t do much, though. It’d need to be used strategically.
It’s the covid checks versus the infrastructure bill lmao. Should we give everyone $1200 or like build roads that everyone uses. Clearly one has long term economic impacts and one has short term economic impacts.
Same with how you acquire the money. Raising annual taxes vs civil forfeiture. All this shit is just a distraction from turning the tax system upside down and not relying on the poor/middle class to fund profits for the .01%
I mean yes if we as individuals go out and spend said money immediately on food it’s not going to last long. But if a village put their $1200 together to build critical infrastructure they could make life much better with their share. It’s like a government spending program or something!
Are you joking? Not even close.
in the oligarchs dialect it translates to “eliminate the poor not useful for slave labour”
No wonder Musk was bullied as a kid.
It’s crazy how we all know this dude is the male cracked out version of Elizabeth Holmes and getting paid unfathomable sums of money to commit all of these obvious and serious crimes in public.
That’s not money, that’s power. Money quits being money somewhere around a million dollars a year-ish, call it 100M lump sum. Above that, more money isn’t an abstract thing you buy goods, services and real-estate with, it’s power: the power to command other people to do your bidding.
He bought the whole US president. Watch him kill SLS and Gateway the second Issacman gets confirmed as head NASA admin. I don’t know why private companies don’t fund their own shit rather than steal from taxpayerS through NASA.
I don’t know why private companies don’t fund their own shit rather than steal from taxpayerS through NASA.
It’s not that they can’t fund their own: it’s “why would they, when they can use their wealth and influence to get it funded by taxpayers?” https://youtu.be/kTlhIQeBWHI?t=20
Unless you buy Twitter.
No, that was absolutely that. Do you not think he gained a massive amount of control with that?
No one takes X seriously.
Is that why most politicians, musicians, comedians etc, still treat it as their main platforms to get info out? Because they don’t take it seriously?
The big problem is actually that they do. That social inertia works so slowly that they didn’t.
That some random crypto company making Bluesky was the closest to a solution, and it looks like it will also have some power crazed person leading it.
I still think there’s a difference.
When people talk about wielding money like power, its more along the lines of
- if you don’t do what I say, I’ll destroy you by doing XYZ.
- you better change your laws or I can fuck shit up in some way.
- I can break the law because you can’t fucking touch me.
- Your example: the power to command other people to do your bidding.
For Twitter he actually used his wealth as actual money to buy something you would buy with money.
He did get power from it yes, but I still think there’s a distinction when talking about wiedling it as power vs using money as money.
Gotta say this difference seems very arbitrary. He bought a company, and platform. Both direct how people spend their time. A platform is obvious but a company, he directs what the people who work there work on. Its definitely a match to somewhere far past where money buys you things.
There’s all kinds of power and influence of people through the press is a very traditional kind of indirect power for people to wield. When I talk about money as power it definitely includes the power to influence how people think and vote and act without putting an actual gun to their heads. Twitter is the new TV and TV was the new radio and the radio was the new newspaper… All kinds of wealthy and powerful people in the past sought control of the press, not only for their own desires, but also as a bargaining chip with other people with power: “do this for me and I’ll make you look good on my platform…”
These are forward looking claims on something they are building. It’s not quite the same.
FSD is closer, but it is an improving product.
It’d be more like if FSD wasn’t ever improving even and yet he still kept making the claims.
He should still be punished for the FSD stuff though.
LMAO! My friend, he’s just saying it so he can get the government to buy a bunch of robots so he can meet the Tesla pay agreement requirements and become a trillionaire. There are so many reasons what your fantasy can’t and won’t happen.
Oh, I know … and that’s what makes it sad is because he could help to make the world a better place.
This is what makes me sad every day. I’d love to be so rich money is just water out of a faucet to me, but at that point why not just do good? Like, even in a selfish way? If you’re so fucking rich that you can change the fates of nations, why not do it just out of hubris and the desire to be put in the history books? "CaptainBlinky, who was known as a relentless capitalist, died having given his 200 billion dollars in wealth before he died to solve homelessness in the nation and will be known forever as the “homemaker.” Like, why would you NOT do some sh like that? It boggles.
Only if you believed his bollocks, which we all know is not to be believed
