And here I was thinking the EU was winning its fight against authoritarianism. Guess nowhere is safe, everyone’s gotta push back no matter where you are. Fucking exhausting that they can’t just leave us the fuck alone.
OK I’m getting a flip phone
The one good thing of brexit: UK isn’t beholden to this.
The bad thing is that their own laws aren’t much better. And of course all the other brexit bad stuff
Why? Why is the loss of such a significant amount of privacy necessary?
For years the plan was to make this scanning mandatory. In early November 2025, however, the Danish government amended the text: scanning is now “voluntary” for individual EU states to decide upon. That small word change was enough for the 27 EU countries to agree on November 26.
If chat control would have been made mandatory, you can bet (and i’d be willing to bet a lot of money on it) that you’re going to have AfD in germany and FPÖ in austria (since they’re already pretty anti-EU) making a lot of noise about how evil the EU is for infringing on people’s privacy. (And they would be right about this, as much as i don’t like to agree with them.) This would give them more votes, than they already have.
Making it voluntary is a clever trick of the EU to not make yourself extremely unpopular among the population. Well done, i’d say.
That’s weird, our fascists in France are all against privacy, unless it’s theirs.
Is there something we can do to effectively oppose that shit ?
misleading headline, this isn’t a list of countries in which the law will (if it passes) be different (it won’t be, it’s an EU law, so will be the same in all EU countries), it’s a list of countries that currently support/oppose the law
(it won’t be, it’s an EU law, so will be the same in all EU countries)
This is not true btw. It’s not a mandatory law, and if you read the news about this the last 3 weeks, you would know that.
EU laws are not automatically mandatory. That’s not how it works at all.
The law will be the same in all EU countries, including whichever parts you think will be “not mandatory” (I did read those news articles and am fully aware that mandatory scanning is no longer on the table).
It isn’t misleading (that’d be a technically true headline, which this isn’t). This is a downright lie, or as some might say, “fake news”.
Countries which support the implementation of Chat Control:
Spain, Romania, Portugal, Malta Lithuania, Hungary, Ireland, France, Denmark, Croatia, Cyprus, and Bulgaria.
Countries that are undecided:
Belgium, Greece, Italy, Latvia, Slovakia, and Sweden.
Countries which oppose Chat Control:
Slovenia, the Netherlands, Poland, Luxembourg, Germany, Estonia, Finland, the Czech Republic, and Austria
Can someone help me understand the likely outcome in countries that implement chat control? Will those governments force Google and Apple to remove apps that do not comply (e.g. Signal) from their official app stores? Will those governments somehow detect users who find workarounds and go after them? I figure most people in those countries will shrug their shoulders and move on with their lives, but how will this impact citizens who do not wish to comply?
“This list is outdated, see here fightchatcontrol.eu”
I’m missing a bit the fact that this is not a law yet. This is the position of the commission, which the parliament will then need to approve and has to get past the ECHR as well most likely.
Wow, this is bad. I thought this was over when Germany chose not to support it. Apparently not!
Show is not over until the fat lady sings.
If this came to Canada, my sister and I will be using Briar.
It’s kind of unclear what “voluntary” means. Is it voluntary for countries to enforce? Is it voluntary for companies to scan chats?
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The later. However, they could still be fines for not doing what is needed to reduce “the risks of the of the chat app”, whatever the fuck that can mean when talking about illegal.content
Illegal content: anything that they don’t like.
I thought it was the latter.
In that case, is there any change? Companies could already do that if they wanted. Many of them already did.
Welp guys, looks like I’m moving to [insert country without that sh*t] (TBD). Or atleast my router is.
The implementation is client-side, so this wouldn’t work. It forces all apps to have a client-side backdoor.
just use signal
Xmpp, IRC, Matrix, all great decentralized alternatives, but good luck convincing people in contacting you on Xmpp…
This problem is a problem because it’s a social tendency, not because we don’t have alternatives… Very sadly…
XMPP is great but my wife hates it.
And when they pull out of Europe because they won’t comply?
Write your own E2E encrypted peer-to-peer chat app (nobody has got time for that) or use some that doesn’t care about the law (pretty risky if it’s not open source, I doubt they’ll survive for long in the open), I guess
We are essentially manipulated into the belief that centralised internet is good and all. This is a push driven by the governments where the whole infrastructure is redesigned into essentially a police state where the only thing left is fascism.
Decentralisation must stay, and developments towards decentralisation must flow faster than ever. If the whole premise of the internet gets breached then it will be officially over, and we will all suffer in oppression.
It is available in fdroid
I dont see fdroid blocking the app. I think signal is in the guardian project repos. Anyway a repo can just be hosted in switzerland or on tor or something. I would be more worried about govenments blocking access to the signal servers.
All this theatre in the name of protecting kids, Yet the pedo formally known as prince andrew is still walking free.
won’t help when their servers block access from EU
Wow, you mean taking instant messenger suggestions from Republicans in the House of Representatives organizing gangbangs wasn’t a good idea?
Or Molly (alternative and more secure FOSS Android app for Signal), or Session or SimpleX.
