• Schadrach@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
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      6 days ago

      Trans men are men.

      Yeah, but nobody gives too much of a shit about trans men. That’s how they know they pass.

      But being serious, the dialog about this stuff is more or less entirely focused on trans women in spaces that are considered private or safe spaces for women. It’s almost all about cis women having to open women’s spaces to trans women, not really much about anything else. Even the most rabid TERFs usually frame things in those terms.

    • whaleross@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      8 days ago

      Trans men will have their squishy feelings ignored like the rest of us men. It is the ultimate acceptance.

          • Skua@kbin.earth
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            8 days ago

            I dunno about you, but as a man I really don’t see why I should be upset about not being in a document about women. Not every conversation has to be about me.

            • dandelion (she/her)@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
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              8 days ago

              yeah, I’m feeling a bit clueless as to why this is feeling like such an injury to men …

              unhelpful rant

              and as an aside, do they not realize how much their feelings and desires as men are centered in society all the time, as a default?

              the world has been built for them with rarely a thought to the contrary e.g.

              • women haven’t been included in clinical trials, and women end up in the hospital at much higher rates than men because of drug complications as a result
              • crash testing is mostly modeled on men and this results in greater rates of injuries and fatalities for women in car accidents
              • phone sizes are sized based around male hands sizes making them too large for women
              • the thermostats in public are set to temperatures more comfortable for men than women
              • CPR dummies are only ever male and CPR training on female bodies is not common, resulting in increased deaths because people don’t feel comfortable performing CPR on women (either due to sexualization of women and modesty norms, or lack of confidence from not training on a female body).
              • the number of bathroom stalls is based on men’s needs, resulting in long waiting lines to use the women’s room

              Even the idea of women being in public has been a rather recent change in the West, only in the past couple centuries, and at first women always had to be kept in segregated spaces away from men - they had to ride in their own train cars, use their own library rooms, etc.

              Women in the US only recently managed to own their own property, secure their own lines of credit, have their own bank accounts, etc. - the only thing like this applied to men has been slavery, but even that was applied to men and women, not men exclusively.

              Advancement for women does not diminish men, and it’s so weird to see such sensitivity and fear from the elevation of women from sub-human status to closer-to-equal status.

              That said, obviously patriarchy informs toxic gender norms that tell men that they shouldn’t express or have feelings, and those norms are reinforced by both men and women - but the problem is still the patriarchy, not the elevation of women or the movement for gender equality (i.e. feminism).