• noerdman@discuss.tchncs.deOP
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      It’s just the German law.

      Like… that’s how it is. In Germany.

      Magazine of the German association of computer scientists recently did an article on it and we provided this… commentary.

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          You need to know how to carry out a cyberattack before you can devise a way to stop it, so CS students need to be taught how to do cyberattacks to learn about cybersecurity.

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            My CS security class had a virtual machine set up with vulnerabilities, such that each vulnerability you exploited would let you log in as a different user. It was quite fun!

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          That you can’t get or distribute or enable people to get applications that could enable people to commit cyber attacks.

          Just sent the paragraph through deepl:

          Any person who prepares to commit a criminal offense under § 202a or § 202b by

          1. producing, obtaining for oneself or another, selling, transferring to another, distributing, or otherwise making available passwords or other security codes that enable access to data (§ 202a(2)), or
          2. computer programs intended for the commission of such an offense,

          shall be punished by imprisonment for up to two years or by a fine.

          Emphasis mine.

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            So it’s only illegal if you intend to commit a criminal offense.

            This seems like a pretty standard law regarding tools which can be used to commit crimes.

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              So it’s only illegal if you intend to commit a criminal offense.

              IANAL, but the German wording is ambiguous enough for this to not be clear.

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                Really? Is this ambiguous?

                Citation from German law

                § 202c Vorbereiten des Ausspähens und Abfangens von Daten

                (1) Wer eine Straftat nach § 202a oder § 202b vorbereitet, indem er

                1. Passwörter oder sonstige Sicherungscodes, die den Zugang zu Daten (§ 202a Abs. 2) ermöglichen, oder

                2. Computerprogramme, deren Zweck die Begehung einer solchen Tat ist,

                herstellt, sich oder einem anderen verschafft, verkauft, einem anderen überlässt, verbreitet oder sonst zugänglich macht, wird mit Freiheitsstrafe bis zu zwei Jahren oder mit Geldstrafe bestraft.

                (2) § 149 Abs. 2 und 3 gilt entsprechend.

                Emphasis mine.

                Edit: Lawyers’ opinion

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                  The issue remains that according to 202a ff, basically any hacking is a crime. If you don’t differentiate there, you don’t differentiate in the 202c either.

                  Part of the article in the German comp sci assc magazine:

                  In Germany, all forms of hacking are officially prohibited: Sections 202a–c of the Criminal Code (StGB) criminalize the spying on and interception of data, as well as the preparation thereof and the possession of so-called hacking tools. Ethical hacking is thus prohibited.