The same way it is done today. If I have a shop for cell phones i dont manufacture them. If they are defective, you come to me and I go to apple, google or whatever.

One could argue that if you made it clear that this shop is being federated to give you a streamlined experience. That way one could contact the shop in question through the same means (federation) and ask for refund, repair whatever.

I feel like you’re my kind of person. From the hackspace I frequent, I take the liberty to just set something up and put some work in. others can come in and help or not. stuff will either progress or not.

I would suggest we prop up a repository on codeberg (because of course) or something. You can dm me if that suits you more. everyone who reads this is of course invited to help/participate with any skills they want to bring in.

First question will be does something like this exist like e.g. https://codeberg.org/flohmarkt/flohmarkt and should we just work on implementing something like this in normal websites with the ideas just mentioned in this thread, should we fork it or should we build something from scratch.

Exactly. And that is by design. We need legislation for that but we also need a working system to compete if possible (imo). If I didnt have to use search engines all the time to get my products that would be awesome. I’d like to go to a site I trust because I worked with them in the past and buy stuff from them while actively widening my scope of trust without having to navigate potential scams. Example: amazon takes care of scams (or paypal for that matter) and so should a federating shop. thats why trust in federation is very important.

in that case this would absolutely be a neat way of doing it. thanks for pointing that out.

yeah, thats right as well. and at least to my knowledge it would not be better to the environment either. one thing at a time. federated payment is for next week. :)

I would probably just use stripe and charge the customer and spread the money to the company in question. this is what you do as a normal business as well btw. You probably need to make your terms and the shop so that customer and the law knows that you are just a storefront for others as well as your own product. but aside from that I dont see a huge issue there.

wow. you’re a real piece of work, aren’t ya? byee

I’m in pretty strong agreement with you. Then again, i run a business and am a reseller for a couple companies. It isn’t exactly rocket science. Company A has product, I note their price, make my own price, send offer to company B. They accept or decline. if the customer has any problems with the product, they either come to me or to the manufacturer. Imho its not much different than a unified storefron would be. Also you can put the sellers name in the storefront like ebay, amazon, ali express etc. the customer knows that its not you who actually sells the product. I think we’re making this a lot more complicated than it needs to be.

That is a very good point! Thank you! I figured someone would find a constructive way to argue why something might be better than something else and you are that person. This would kind of speak to the idea of crypto which I dont really like on first sight but it would at least give the ability to audit, right?

whats that? do you have a link?

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sad. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenBazaar

I like your enthusiasm. Not too sure if I would go so far but I can see how one would think about it this way. No disagreeing from my side. I’ll keep monero and other things like gnu taler in mind for a payment system. Thanks for participating.

I’m definitely intrigued. I have HUGE prejudices when it comes to blockchain, one being climate impact. The other being privacy of all things. But I can see it as an option.

Wow. Took a while to get a naysayer in here.

Sorry mate, I can do whatever I like. You should visit a hackspace at some point. You would be shocked how many people there give a crap about what you think they can do.

But on a more productive note:

I have not thought out the whole process yet. Otherwise I would not ask here but show a product. There are ways to work payments for open source already. Payments are limited to credit cards, bank transfer, crypto, paypal, stripe, etc as far as I know. So I would suggest the “main shop”, that the customer orders in, would be the one booking and sending the other funds to the other shops the customer ordered in. The delivery would be standard dropshipping (the buy order goes to the other shop and they are responsible for delivery, same as amazon does for many shops now). Contestations is a good point. They would also need to be delivered to the dropshipped company and the payment contested as well. From my current pov this sounds entirely doable.

So if you just drop that condescending tone you can see we actually can be productive here. Do you have any more points we can work through?

Flohmarkt is nice if a little small atm but of course it is very new. I’ll check if it would work to implement their api in a normal website/shop. because my point also is to make people independent from each other so that no single entity can control them. in this case I mean if flohmarkt got “outlawed” for example because lobbyists and such, websites would prevail, i hope.

Thanks for participating.

that is online farmers and flea market? feel free to post a link

in that case you might be part of the problem atm. of course, if you buy groceries, you trust the grocery store to not sell you poisoned stuff. and if your friend asks you where to buy groceries, you recommend those you have good experiences with.

That said, trust is on its way out in our society but that is a political problem, not a technical. i can solve technical problems.

Thank you for participating in this discussion. Happy to hear someone thought about this.

The high level of trust is important, yes. My idea is to either plain use or build something similar to the fediseer. I’m an instance admin and I use fediseer for trust management. This means that instances can trust other instances (manually!) and are responsible if these instances turn out bad. That means if you have a friend you know personally and trust, you would recommend them to the fediseer. this friend in turn would recommend another friend and so on. that is a chain of trust. so far this works wonderful.

Some things could also be solved by building communities or unions like normal companies do. But of course this should be limited to federating companies.

Thanks for asking questions. It helps me think.

That is a very constructive idea! Thanks. The warehouses can also be collectively bought/built imho but I’m not totally opposed to state owned. Everything is better than techno feudalist owned.

except you cant. not in most real life situations. I personally made it a habbit to not shop at amazon and the time and money I “waste” for shopping elsewhere is insane. If you come with “you’re just bad at searching then” I will block you without comment.

Thats entirely possible. Thanks for pointing it out.

But the rest about amazon is (interesting?) noise in my opinion. The thing keeping people locked in amazon is amazon, nothing else. Sellers need to sell there to survive and customers cant find alternatives, especially not for a competitive price.

Your heart is in the right place but you don’t know about how Facebook works. It artificially makes people not see alternatives while giving them all the reasons to stay. Worse, those who aren’t as secure in their views might go back. Facebook is pure poison.

Forget it. Delete your accounts and move. Talk to people IRL and tell them where to find you.

Because if you can be found on Facebook you will be a reason to stay.

delete Facebook and xitter account now