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Am a Dutch. I agree this is bad and I agree we should move as fast as possible toward digital sovereignty / FOSS.
That said, NL is the only country that’s an “unofficial” full member of the “Five Eyes.” This seriously complicates any move away from US tech.
Not an excuse; just one of the big reasons.
Saction usa now
Microsoft accused of leaking Dutch civil servants’ names to U.S. government
Wait… Leaking? Aren’t they required to…
American tech companies are required to share data with the U.S. government due to the Cloud Act in force in that country.
No shit Sherlock. And you’re surprised? Let me guess: This shouldn’t have happened as they were required to store all this only on European servers but somehow MS was still required by the US to hand over that data? Although it was stored in Europe? On servers owned by an American company? On servers operated by an American company? A company that’s bound by American legislation?
Oh well, that sucks. If only someone had told them that this might happen. But there’s one good thing: Because of the Privacy Shield, the American government and American companies still cannot use that data to do whatever they want with it, right? Because if they could, then all data transfers to and usage of products from American tech companies were likely already banned in Europe, right?
sigh
They don’t care. They give all that information to the us government, too, through massive spy programs.
Eu is just the face vs Americas heel playing us all for marks.
Indeed. Schrems III cannot come too soon, and maybe this time it will stick.
I’m sure there well be some stern words…
There is a broad desire within the Netherlands to become less dependent on major American tech companies, specifically because of the Cloud Act. Both Aerdts and Van der Burg stressed that it will take time for the Netherlands to become digitally sovereign.
“it’ll take time” = “Microsoft is paying us to slow it down.”
Probably more: we have realised how much of our processes are massively integrated into Microsoft products and might be screwed.
The German state of Schleswig Holstein has been moving for 2 years, much faster than the Netherlands. Maybe being technology retarded helped them, I dunno.
That’s also one state compared to a country. Even if the size is similar, there’s probably a lot more stuff that needs to be moved on a national level.
This is always the excuse, isn’t it? “No we can’t have that here, it’s completely different”. “No, we can’t have free healthcare here. It’d never work”. “No, we can’t be secure here, that’s not our culture”.
The civil servants involved are working on implementing the Digital Services Act (DSA), the European law that forces online platforms to take stricter action against illegal content, online child sex abuse, and disinformation. The American government considers this law a form of censorship.
MAGA are pro child sex abuse.
You said it with a million posts all over internet, but nothing changed.
I’m often amazed at the naive trust europeans have in American tech. Shoving shit tons of sensitive data into US cloud
Change is happening though, even people who still trust Meta, Microsoft and Google heard of fighter jets with kill switches. Awareness is growing. Imo it’s not going fast enough but it wouldn’t surprise me if somewhere the next few years there will be a mass exodus of Europeans moving away from US services. 3 years ago that was unthinkable. Trust is really broken, in all levels of society.
Maybe. All the companies I work with are diehard. US cloud fans. Banks, tax agencies, retail
US dominance of AI gets these companies even more deeply embedded
I wasn’t saying that mass exodus will include everyone. I once learned that legal companies still fax stuff to the courthouse because they don’t trust email. Old habits die hard. But once the network effect breaks, they’ll be the odd one out. Especially places that hold sensitive information like gov agencies, banks, hospitals, schools will be under scrutiny if they continue to keep data there when the majority has already switched over. Despite the diehards and despite the majority still being on US systems, the damage quite likely cannot be undone anymore and if that’s true we’re already beyond the point of no return.
“naive trust”
It’s essentially one elite. Building Airbus for independence but not caring about IT doesn’t make sense unless there is nothing to fear.
“one elite” I bet you my left titty that you personally know somebody who just won’t give up US services no matter what. The EU is filled with people knowingly promote and use US services despite knowing how bad they are.
There are always useful idiots but they don’t set essential policies for the elite. Whoever holds the EU together doesn’t worry about the US IT dependency even though they should.
