Insiders, including at centrist think tank Third Way, are cautioning Democratic candidates against echoing Republican talking points on trans rights.
Insiders, including at centrist think tank Third Way, are cautioning Democratic candidates against echoing Republican talking points on trans rights.
So, what youāre saying is, so long as capitalism exists, trans people should just shut the fuck up and get genocided.
Yeah, totally, a person who thinks like this gives a shit about unsheltered people and impoverished mothers. Who are you trying to fool?
Edit: putting this other response here because you dipshits donāt realize you can be transphobic while talking for trans people with āgood intentions.ā
Because trans people are the people who are impoverished. To act like these are seperate things and that one is more worthy than the other is trans erasure. Just because you know transphobia is bad, doesnāt mean you arenāt transphobic. The reason we arenāt able to forget about trans people is because they do experience poverty and shelter insecurity at disproportionate rates; there is no discussion on one without the other unless you intend to erase trans people, go figure.
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What do you think causes shelter insecurity and impoverished mothers, exactly?
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Mhmmmm, so, what would have to go in order to stop shelter insecurity and the impoverishment of mothers, as the original commenter insisted would be necessary before we deal with trans genocide?
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As the original commenter, Iām very confused how anyone came to a conclusion that my comments were anything but supportive of transgender people being left alone to live their lives in peace, and instead advocating for people getting upset about poverty.
Because trans people are the people who are impoverished. To act like these are seperate things and that one is more worthy than the other is trans erasure. Just because you know transphobia is bad, doesnāt mean you arenāt transphobic. The reason we arenāt able to forget about trans people is because they do experience poverty and shelter insecurity at disproportionate rates; there is no discussion on one without the other unless you intend to erase trans people, go figure.
Oh Jesus Christ.
Iām not even going to address the steaming pile of excrement that is your response, because the mentally ill people I was referring to were right-wingers obsessed with transgender athletes, and your reading comprehension was too poor to figure it out.
NOTHING I said referenced anyone who supports transgender people or their rights. Iām ONE of those people who support them.
Learn to read, for Godās sake. You should be ashamed of yourself in this conversation. Iāve been a huge supporter of transgender people and their rights for fucking DECADES.
there you go.
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āLet me say what I want about trans people or Iāll just go mask off transphobic and you wonāt even get my fake support.ā
Iām sure we can do without you, not sure what we get with you. They explained, they admitted to not even considering how this was harmful as they, like you apparently, assumed that just because they donāt want to be transphobic, they arenāt. They obviously didnt care all that much, as they did not even consider if it was harmful again, and even insisted that theyāre above being challenged because theyāre already as pure as they need to be.
Itās you dipshits that care more about purity than the values. Liberals like you are why weāre in this fucking position, if you donāt want that, make fucking sure you donāt do it.
I was literally saying the opposite of the way you interpreted this.
I was pointing out that people who have literally no memory of ever interacting with a transgender person probably shouldnāt be focusing on whether transgender people are a danger to them, and should instead be focusing on the fact that people arenāt able to afford the basic things they need to live.
You mean you meant to say the opposite of this. What you literally said is that transgender issues have less gravity than those other (interlinked, interdependent) issues. Itās a narrative that also conveniently discards the reality that any queerphobia is pathologized to avoid more nuanced discussions on the material conditions of capitalism.
Liberals often say the wrong thing trying to dunk on a perceived opponent, and they just use language that inadvertently promotes the values they supposedly disagree with. What exactly did you think would be read out of, āif you are thinking about transgender people instead of unsheltered people, youāre mentally ill?ā
I mean I said what I said, and a majority of people who read it understood it.
Iām sorry that you werenāt among them.
I was referring to the right-wingers obsessed with transgender people in sports.
And now that you know that, feel free to delete your shitty little uninformed comments that youāve littered all over this page attacking me for expressing support for transgender people.
You didnāt express support for transgender people. You said that anyone whoās not trans shouldnāt be thinking about them.
Okay, first off, no, I said something incredibly specific that was absolutely NOT what you accused me of saying. Iām going to quote it here:
In no way is this saying that people shouldnāt be thinking about transgender people. Itās just factually not saying that.
What it is saying is that if you see those other things and your brain still canāt help but focus on transgender people, then youāre either transgender yourself, or youāre mentally ill.
As someone who cares about others, when I see people starving, parents who canāt afford to feed their children, and people who canāt afford to pay for gas, Iām sorry, but transgender people are NOT at the center of my thoughts, and Iām sorry, but I donāt think itās justified for anyone to expect transgender people to be at the center of my thoughts when I see those things. The thing at the center of my thoughts is to make sure that everyone has their basic needs met.
But there are people who see all of that, and they STILL want to act like transgender women in sports is a big important issue that they need to be focusing all of their attention on.
Do you disagree that that perspective is mental illness?
And Iām going to ask you a serious question:
Iām assuming youāre transgender.
Do you assume that cisgender people who care about transgender people are focusing primarily on transgender people when theyāre living their own lives and are unable to feed themselves, unable to pay for gas, unable to pay for healthcare, unable to meet their basic needs?
Because Iām going to tell you that no, theyāre not.
You absolutely ARE a concern. We want you to be able to live. We want you to be okay.
But you are not the only ones in danger right now. There are A LOT of people in danger right now. We arenāt just focused on the small micro groups within the people who are in danger. We are thinking of THE WHOLE of the people who are in danger.
But you know who IS thinking of you? The people who keep making motions to create laws to hurt you, and the people who theyāre brainwashing into supporting them.
And by the way, I am absolutely NOT a liberal.
You are wasting both of our time by trying to start a conflict with me. I am literally one of the people who would be the most likely to support you. Iām not transgender, but I absolutely AM autistic, and that group has A LOT more transgender people in it than the general population. And since Iām autistic, I am also one of the people who is in danger from the people in power right now.
Please stop attacking me and stop wasting both of our time. We both have much more pressing issues right now than attacking each other.
You drastically misrepresented who I am and then you doubled down on it, which is ironic, given the way that others have treated you. I am not someone who would treat you like that. I am sorry youāre suffering. I very sincerely hope for better for you in the future. But please have an understanding that you can be incorrect about who youāre interacting with. This interaction is the kind of interaction that the people who hate you will use to parody you and to make you look bad, and I very truthfully believe that you deserve better in your life than that.
Youāve made a lot of incorrect assumptions in that long screed.
Guess what?
Iām not trans.
Iām not mentally ill.
I think itās worth thinking about the erasure and maltreatment of trans people.
Iām not going to let you do it without pointing it out.
Fascists start with the most vulnerable members of society, and they tell the rest of society that they canāt have relief from their own problems like shortages of food and housing until they leave behind those people.
Youāre falling into that trap, and itās especially sad since you too are part of a group that theyāll say should be left behind. They already consider autistic people as damaged as trans people, itās the dark current underlying the antivax narrative.
Itās not only possible to care about trans people, people with disabilities, abortion rights, mail-in voting, homeless people, immigrants, healthcare inequity, poverty, food insecurity, and worker abuse at the same time, itās easy because they all come down to the same essential thing.
Taking away from one of us takes from all of us. To forget that is to forswear your own humanity.
Donāt engage, theyāre someone who assumes theyāre right because they donāt want to be wrong, thereās nothing there besides what they want to be, and theyāve made it clear they donāt care much about the issue.
I donāt mind engaging. I may not be able to change them, but maybe thereās a kid out there feeling a little less alone. Or another person who just needs to be reminded that āevil starts with treatinā people as things.ā
Iāve voted against hate and towards body autonomy in every election large or small since 1978, and while itās been 2 steps back for every step forward, thatās no reason to give up.
OH JESUS FUCKING CHRIST.
I NEVER SAID TO LEAVE TRANSGENDER PEOPLE BEHIND.
WHEN WILL YOU AND THE OTHER PERSON GET THAT THROUGH YOUR HEADS?
I SUPPORT FULLY PROTECTING TRANSGENDER RIGHTS!
I SUPPORT FULL RIGHTS TO TRANSITION INCLUDING CHILDREN HAVING ACCESS TO PUBERTY BLOCKERS!
I SUPPORT GOING TO THE MAT AND FIGHTING FOR TRANSGENDER RIGHTS!
READ WHAT I ACTUALLY WROTE, NOT WHAT YOU WANTED ME TO HAVE WRITTEN!
I AM NOT A LIBERAL AND I DO NOT SUPPORT PEOPLE LIKE HAKEEM JEFFRIES OR CHUCK SCHUMER!
I AM WAY THE HELL LEFT OF THEM!
LITERALLY EVERYTHING I SAID WAS THAT THE RIGHT-WINGERS OBSESSED WITH TRANSGENDER PEOPLE ARE MENTALLY ILL, NOT THAT TRANSGENDER PEOPLE OR THEIR FRIENDS ARE FAMILIES ARE MENTALLY ILL!
FOR GODāS SAKE, READ WHAT I SAID! YOU THINK YOUāRE ARGUING AGAINST SOMEONE WHO WOULD THROW TRANSGENDER PEOPLE UNDER THE BUS AND I HAVE NO INTENTION OF DOING SO! I AM THE KIND OF PERSON WHO HAS BEEN OUT THERE GOING TO ACTUAL PROTESTS WEEK AFTER WEEK AND GETTING THE WORD OUT AND TRYING TO HELP! I AM FOR GIVING TRANS KIDS PUBERTY BLOCKERS AND LETTING THEM TRANSITION WHENEVER THEY ARE TELLING THEIR PARENTS THEY ARE TRANS. AND I AM FOR PROTECTING THE RIGHTS OF KIDS TO TRANSITION IN SCHOOL WITHOUT THEIR PARENTSā NAMES, BECAUSE KIDS ARE HUMAN BEINGS AND ARE NOT THE PROPERTY OF THEIR PARENTS!
I DO NOT SUPPORT REMOVING TRANSGENDER PROTECTIONS FROM ANYONEāS PLATFORM!
I AM PROBABLY A LOT FARTHER LEFT THAN YOU!
READ WHAT I AM SAYING!
READ WHAT I AM SAYING!
READ WHAT I AM SAYING!
READ WHAT I AM SAYING!
READ WHAT I AM SAYING!
Youāre not supporting trans people. Full stop. I explained why, youāre choosing to again not support trans people.
And now that you know that, feel free to edit your original comment to address the harm in it.
You did not even read what I said. You did not even read what I said. You did not even read what I said. You did not even read what I said. You did not even read what I said. You did not even read what I said.
FULL STOP.
I literally never advocated for the crap I was accused of.
Not ever. Not once. Never would.
Iām not going to edit my post, because it didnāt say what you thought it did.