The article is really about how the situation informs the current landscape and strategy for 2026 and 2028, but I guess you didnāt read it before commenting
I 100% did not. Thatās why my comment was in the form of a question. Because I couldnāt, and still canāt, imagine what a primary 10 years ago has to say about our current landscape that wouldnāt be better understood through recent campaigns like Mamdaniās, el-Sayedās, and pre-scandal Platnerās. Or if we need to examine losses, any of the times when the progressive got boxed out. Bernie had an entire second run between now and then.
The reason they frame it with Bernie is not because Bernieās run is more demonstrative of important current dynamics, itās because itās the progressive lost Lost Cause that will get clicks. Or in my case, not get clicks because literally everything that needs to be said about that election has already been said. Because it was 10 fucking years ago and people have been talking about it repeatedly for a literal decade.
You want the full picture of how our political landscape came to be what it is today? Youāre gonna have to start looking far back beyond 10 years ago my friend. No election cycle is only a 4 to 8 year bubble.
The amount of pride this is said with is whatās infuriating. The answers were right there, but you couldnāt be fucking bothered.
If you had opened up the article and taken 20 seconds to scan, you would have gotten enough answer to continue reading. Or not, whatever, but you wouldnātāve made a stupid comment in the thread, at least.
I mean, for the last ten years people have been telling me Iām a conspiracy theorist for saying that the DNC fucked over Sanders, so I appreciate this article for backing me up lol
The primary voters voted for Hillary over Bernie, even before the superdelegates became relevant at the convention.
Both can be true.
Regardless of all the shenanigans with the superdelegates, I highly doubt that the DNC would have nominated Hillary if Bernie had actually won the primaries.
Voters could have seen through the DNC shenanigans and chose Bernie, but they didnāt.
Itās the same with all the dark money corporate contributionsā¦ Does it influence the result? The data surely shows that it does, but voters still have the choice to NOT let that dark money spending influence their decision.
Oh my God, how did you not already find one of the hundreds of other articles that gave that same validation in the last 10 years? If you were waiting for this moment for that, thatās pretty much on you.
All of that stuff in the book was more or less out in the open and publicity known during the primary campaign. Leftists and progressives could have registered to vote in the primary, and if they had none of the fuckery would have amounted to anything. But they didnāt and Hillary got nearly double the votes Bernie did. Also Bernie isnāt a democrat, everybody ignores this, of course the democratic party would favor an actual democrat for their nomination, but I digress. If leftists and progressives actually voted heād have won, but they didnāt, and it wasnāt remotely close.
Thatās not quite true. Joe Biden got double the votes Bernie did in 2020, but in 2016 HRC only beat him with a 12% margin, which is still millions of votes but not double.
If you want me to come up with a reason why the person who receives millions more votes should become the representative then clearly you oppose democracy and idgaf about your opinion on anything.
Popular vote: HRC: 16,917,853 Bernie: 13,210,550
Percentage: 55.2%, 43.1%
Weāve been discussing how Bernie lost the popular vote this entire time. It was a brutal defeat where he was 2 digit percent margin. Even worse, in 2020 he lost to Joseph Biden when Biden literally doubled his vote.
Jesus, what more could possibly be said about this a full ten years after?
Some people need a constant reminder of the type of people they support
Ten years is awkwardly too recent to have emotional distance from the consequences and too late to be timely.
The article is really about how the situation informs the current landscape and strategy for 2026 and 2028, but I guess you didnāt read it before commenting
I 100% did not. Thatās why my comment was in the form of a question. Because I couldnāt, and still canāt, imagine what a primary 10 years ago has to say about our current landscape that wouldnāt be better understood through recent campaigns like Mamdaniās, el-Sayedās, and pre-scandal Platnerās. Or if we need to examine losses, any of the times when the progressive got boxed out. Bernie had an entire second run between now and then.
The reason they frame it with Bernie is not because Bernieās run is more demonstrative of important current dynamics, itās because itās the progressive lost Lost Cause that will get clicks. Or in my case, not get clicks because literally everything that needs to be said about that election has already been said. Because it was 10 fucking years ago and people have been talking about it repeatedly for a literal decade.
You want the full picture of how our political landscape came to be what it is today? Youāre gonna have to start looking far back beyond 10 years ago my friend. No election cycle is only a 4 to 8 year bubble.
The amount of pride this is said with is whatās infuriating. The answers were right there, but you couldnāt be fucking bothered.
If you had opened up the article and taken 20 seconds to scan, you would have gotten enough answer to continue reading. Or not, whatever, but you wouldnātāve made a stupid comment in the thread, at least.
I mean, for the last ten years people have been telling me Iām a conspiracy theorist for saying that the DNC fucked over Sanders, so I appreciate this article for backing me up lol
The DNC fucked over Bernie.
The primary voters voted for Hillary over Bernie, even before the superdelegates became relevant at the convention.
Both can be true.
Regardless of all the shenanigans with the superdelegates, I highly doubt that the DNC would have nominated Hillary if Bernie had actually won the primaries.
Voters could have seen through the DNC shenanigans and chose Bernie, but they didnāt.
Itās the same with all the dark money corporate contributionsā¦ Does it influence the result? The data surely shows that it does, but voters still have the choice to NOT let that dark money spending influence their decision.
Oh my God, how did you not already find one of the hundreds of other articles that gave that same validation in the last 10 years? If you were waiting for this moment for that, thatās pretty much on you.
This comment could have been avoided by 20 seconds of scanning the link.
All of that stuff in the book was more or less out in the open and publicity known during the primary campaign. Leftists and progressives could have registered to vote in the primary, and if they had none of the fuckery would have amounted to anything. But they didnāt and Hillary got nearly double the votes Bernie did. Also Bernie isnāt a democrat, everybody ignores this, of course the democratic party would favor an actual democrat for their nomination, but I digress. If leftists and progressives actually voted heād have won, but they didnāt, and it wasnāt remotely close.
Thatās not quite true. Joe Biden got double the votes Bernie did in 2020, but in 2016 HRC only beat him with a 12% margin, which is still millions of votes but not double.
You are correct, I was exaggerating the numbers, pulling incorrectly from memory.
Since theyāre still beating the dead horse Iāve got something different to say:
Bernie Sanders lost the primaries by Millions of votes. Not Thousands, Not Hundreds of Thousands, but Millions.
He wasnāt even a DNC member and he got invited in the first place.
Sure, but he was already losing by an overwhelming majority before anyone voted. Hillary had something like 40 delegates already.
Edit: 360 delegates, actually.
So youāre saying that if Bernie started with 40 more delegates that MILLIONS more people would have voted for him instead? Fat chance, pal.
If it doesnāt matter, then why not just make it fair?
If you want me to come up with a reason why the person who receives millions more votes should become the representative then clearly you oppose democracy and idgaf about your opinion on anything.
Being chosen by the people is what is fair.
Isnāt that the popular vote?..
Popular vote: HRC: 16,917,853 Bernie: 13,210,550
Percentage: 55.2%, 43.1%
Weāve been discussing how Bernie lost the popular vote this entire time. It was a brutal defeat where he was 2 digit percent margin. Even worse, in 2020 he lost to Joseph Biden when Biden literally doubled his vote.
Thanks. Not American so not very knowledgeable but appreciate the clarification.