Yeah but at least itāll be funny
How come itās all of the bad stuff and none of the cool stuff?
Thatās a dystopia for you. The good stuff in Cyberpunk is mostly because youāre a protagonist - the bad stuff happens to all the NPCs around you.
Youāre just adjusted to the cool stuff so that it doesnāt seem cool, but like just a regular part of life. Notice that in most cyberpunk fiction, none of the characters really seem to think that anything is particularly cool or futuristic around them. After all, thatās just their regular life.
Capitalism.
Wdym? Cyberpunk and the like are explicit warnings against āall the cool stuff.ā
You donāt get all the cool stuff without the dystopia. Letās have some media literacy yāall.
Okay, but we already have the dystopia. Without the cool stuff. Those stories were dirty liars.
We have all the cool stuff though. Everyone wanted shit like AI and The Metaverse until the billionaire class presented us with their corrupted version of it.
You just didnāt understand the stories you were being told: that the stuff you think might be ācoolā is actually going to ruin the world.
Iām not sure youāre understanding what people think is cool.
Literally every fictional cyberpunk dystopia is coded as being about as uncool as possible. The only cool people are living in filth and desperately trying to tear the system down.
Maybe you just werenāt paying attention?
People used to ask Google and use the totally unbiased first result to take a test for thisā¦
They were doing this in the primary.
I was canvassing and a woman whipped out her phone and asked chatgpt which of the candidates most agreed with her. Thatās who she said sheād vote for.
Too many people (including my boss) seem to think AI is a magic oracle that can replace the whole messy business of ever investigating even the tiniest thing. Itās astonishing how many people were apparently just waiting for the first chance to give up on doing anything at all for themselves.
Using an LLM to offer concise summaries of the major platforms and ideas of candidates would be an ideal use of the technology ā¦if there was any way to know that the LLM is being factual and accurate and relatively free of bias in what it produces. But we have no guarantees on this.
In fact we pretty much have a guarantee of the opposite. If Sam Altman hasnāt already started a bidding war for politicians to pay him to let chatgpt automatically endorse them, he sure as hell will in a very near future.
And we never will, because of the fundamental ways the technology works. LLMs needs nondeterminism in order to function. Itās truly a black box, which makes it a nonstarter in any discipline that demands accuracy and integrity and repeatability.
I mean, plenty of them will provide sources so you can verify.
Through the same process of non-determinism I just described. Lawyers asked ChatGPT to find cases so they could be cited in their arguments, and it gave them āsourcesā that were just bupkis.
Itās the same chat window, going to the same flawed machine. If you doubt the machine the first time, what makes you want to trust it the second or third time?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mata_v._Avianca,_Inc.
āIs varghese a real case,ā reads one message, referencing Varghese v. China Southern Airlines Co Ltd, one of the cases that no other lawyer could find.
ChatGPT responds that yes, it is - prompting āSā to ask: āWhat is your sourceā.
After ādouble checkingā, ChatGPT responds again that the case is real and can be found on legal reference databases such as LexisNexis and Westlaw.
Of course they are. The vast majority of Americans are not critical thinkers.
First they surrendered their knowledge, then their thinking. What is left of them now?
They rejected the evidence of their eyes and ears. They have nothing left to give.
āIt was their final, most essential command.ā
A vote that counts 3.7 times more than mine.
That would be a really good cards against humanity card
Their bodies
LMAO! Weāre so fucked.
My biggest fear of AI is how its going to dumb us down. If you think about how dumb the average person is, and then water it down further. We are screwed.
I hear friends and family using it for basic things like writing notes. I have friends that use it to write basic code. If you canāt do the easy stuff youāll never learn the hard stuff
Everyone gets a puppy vs diarrhea forever
Completely legitimate use case.
Your candidates all have websites. An LLM can parse all of them and tell you what their core values/goals are.
If any align with yours, look at them more closely and see if theyāve got your vote.
And the LLMs trained and operated by companies whose leaders are unscrupulous fascists, and who pander to Trump for the sake of favors. Itās naive to assume theyāre giving unbiased answers.
This isnāt even theoretical.
Remember when Grok was defensively insisting Musk was a champion piss drinker whose survival was more important than the rest of humanity combined?
True, but itās also naive to hope people are not going to use it for questions like that. At least theyāre not asking Grok (which some people are just likely also doing).
I also doubt ChatGPT is just going to say āvote Republicanā. Maybe Iāll just try later, just out of curiosity.
I also doubt ChatGPT is just going to say āvote Republicanā.
Propaganda is usually far more subtle than that. You can gently color the way the issues are framed, choose what to present as the important questions and deciding factors, omit to mention certain evidence or arguments, describe some candidates in appealing terms and others less appealingly, etc. All it needs to do is nudge some of the questioners a little to the right, not overtly or dramatically, but just enough to tip the votes statistically just a little bit towards the Republicans.
An LLM can parse all of them and tell you what their core values/goals are.
Or it will make shit up, as theyāre known to do. Fuck off with this shit. Outsourcing your own thinking is stupid, cowardly, and deadly for everybody.
You can ask the ai for the source and the relevant quote than verify if it halucinate or not , still faster than using traditional ways
Or you could just look it up first and skip the whole āmight be made up slopā bit.
Sometimes you need to find very specific details that would take a lot more time to find manually by browsing dozens of articles
And those details are fake. Or not. Whoās to say?
There is where verification comes , it not like the manual traditional way of searching canāt give me fake infos.
The stated case for AI here is to save time, but to save time you must either trust the results, or spend more time than the non-AI path to verify (because now youāre doing the reading and verifying you would have done in the first place; and if AI is wrong or hallucinated, you may have just wasted a lot of time).
AI is definitionally only faster when its results are not verified and are just trusted.
If youāre thinking, āWell, I wouldnāt verify everything, just the things that may be wrong or important,ā then youāve already outsourced credibility to not just AI, but also your gut feelings. The most important things you can learn are the things that your feelings are wrong about.
Or you could just figure out what your own damn opinion is yourself and not have to rely on an unthinking chatbot to think for you.
gathering information and thinking are two different things. see, i just gave you information, now all you have to do is think about it for a bit.
Iām sorry, but the dichotomy between āinformationā and āthinkingā is false and you are being led to false conclusions because you have false premises.
Information from an AI tool is not reliable, and Iāve found frequent errors constantly with frontier modelsā āsources.ā The process of information acquisition is also typically inseparable from digesting and understanding it, to say nothing of the fact that āinformationā itself not āobjectiveā because it is typically very context and viewpoint dependent.
Information from an AI tool is not reliable
neither is information from google, everything has to be crosschecked and verified, but you have to start somewhere.
Nothing is 100%, sure. But starting from reliable sources is faster than starting from unreliable sources. AI is like starting from the cake and working back to confirm the eggs, the milk, and the flour. Itās faster if you instead start with verifiable ingredients.
P.S.: Weāre just having a discussion here, no need to downvote me.
Please learn to read. I never said you should use it to form opinions , I said you can use it to get the details then verfiy if they are factual and build your own opinion based on the information.
Or it will make shit up, as theyāre known to do.
Thatās why there was step 2 in that advice, which you conviniently ignored in order to get outraged.
The vast majority of people who do step one wonāt do step two, and if step two is necessary, which it is, then step one is pointless and can be skipped.
step one is pointless and can be skipped.
no, it canāt be skipped. because you canāt verify information you havenāt gathered.
and any information gathered by another means have to be verified as well, so step two is always necessary.
Which is more efficient?
āLet software tell me what I should do, then verify for myself whether I should do it.ā
Or:
āVerify for myself what I should do.ā
PLEASE stop outsourcing your own thinking.
āVerify for myself what I should do.ā
bases on what? stop being hysterical just because you donāt like ai. i am not big fan either, but that is not the point here. no matter hot you gather the information, you need to verify them. end of story.
here is useful guide:
- google or chatgpt for the information
- verify what you have found
PLEASE stop outsourcing your own thinking.
seems you werenāt doing much thinking during composition of this comment either, your fight or fight response took precedence.
Stop defending the deadly slop machines, dummy. Your idiocy hurts everybody.
Oh no, poor baby ran out of the arguments, so it had to resort to profanitiesā¦
You denied the evidence. Fuck you for choosing death for everybody.
Iām gonna push back on this in that you have no idea how or what structural biases are being baked into these. They also are intentionally built to give a sense of neutrality to things that arenāt neutral.
Also, itās well known at this point that marketers are focusing on slip websites which can get agree gated into ml model training data sets. The new meta is to get your product into the llm and get the llm to recommend you.
Yeah, there are implicit and explicit biases at every stage of these models. The training data they collect, how they clean and use their training data, the actual training methodology, the prompts to literally alter the final output.
Thatās not to mention the main things LLM arenāt aware of, which is who are you as a person. An LLM doesnāt know nor can it understand your life experiences and how that shapes your opinions on who is best to represent you. Handing over cognition like this is basically throwing away your vote as youāve forfeited one of the major methods you have to influence your government.
If you think itās a good idea to ask AI how to vote, please donāt vote at all.
We donāt need you handing your vote to a robot ā¦ or to the techno-fascist prick holding the robotās leash.
ā¦no. Thatās not how any of this works.
Dead govt theory
Bots voting for bots
And all we need is for ChatGPT to tell all the idiots to vote blue in the midterms to get this country back on course.
Techbros are in the fascist camp though. That said, even if it were the other way round, if that works, democracy is lost anyway, no matter which side wins.
Democracy died when Nixon escaped justice.
The death rattle started in 1877 and the country never recovered.
It was born sickly anyway.
I see it more as a gradual process. There were a lot of milestone of the democratic foundation of the US breaking away and then there are some foundations of democracy that never existed in the US to begin with. There are too many to mention but allowing companies to buy elections legally is one of them, the rise of the executive branch in power is another and more recently when the Supreme Court started to back up autocratic developments because of partisan reasons is another.
When they asked Fox Entertainment News they just vote for Pedo/Nazis
Maybe this will at least shake some people that their stupid āteamā doesnāt actually align with their values?
At this point they are asking whether to vote blue or red. Like how is it even a fucking question if you arenāt MAGA? Americans deserve the government they have.
It gets more nuanced than that the further along the scale of locality you go. When you get to county/city positions and judgeships, there often is no party information to go on and you have to sift through sparse local news coverage (if it exists and hasnāt been bought out by Sinclair) or through individual campaign websites (again, if they exist at all). It actually takes a lot of work to make a well informed decision on the local level.
