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Donald Trump is accused of raping a former Miss Switzerland in a report probing the presidentās relationship with Jeffrey Epstein released by House of Representatives Democrats this week.
Beatrice Keul, a retired model and beauty pageant contestant, told the House Judiciary Committee about an incident alleged to have taken place at New Yorkās Plaza Hotel in 1993. The report, released a week ahead of the midterm elections, also summarizes previously reported allegations from four other women against Trump.
The White House has strongly denied all of the reportsā claims, accusing ācrazedā Democrats of āa desperate attempt to distract Americansā and insisting that the president has been āfully exonerated of anything related to Epstein.ā
Keul previously claimed in October 2024 that Trump had sexually assaulted her at a beauty pageant staged at the Plaza Hotel, which Trump then owned.
āThe president may have raped someone, but we need to double down on the made up rape threat that transgender people pose to women!ā
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The White House has strongly denied all of the reportsā claims, accusing ācrazedā Democrats of āa desperate attempt to distract Americansā and insisting that the president has been āfully exonerated of anything related to Epstein.ā
Funny, the White House started a whole ass war to distract from the Epstein files. Projection at itās finest.
And before the 2016 election he fired off probes to HILARYāS EMAILS which was a literal nothing-burgerā¦
ā¦then HUNTERāS LAPTOP which was an absolute fabrication.
But documented undeniable proof that someone who has been found guilty of rape, has documented history of rape and being a pedo, and openly bragged about sexually assaulted womenā¦yeah thatās just a baseless witch hunt
But wait ā Hillary had shared recipes for prosciutto. Prosciutto!!!
In Wag the Dog they only pretended to start a war.
Ok, now the elected officials will do something about it? Right? Right?
What do you want them to do? The DOJ works for the pedophiles.
We decided that Democrats donāt deserve votes and should be the minority party. They have no power to do anything but write memos. Why are we suddenly pissed theyāre not doing more after we stopped then from being able to do more?
Democrats controlled the DoJ when Biden was in office for four years.
Did they do anything? No. They insisted that the investigation of a man dead for 10 years was ongoing.
Translation: Fuck you voters, we love Epstein, too
The Biden administration slow-rolled the prosecution of Trump because they wanted to avoid any semblance of it being a political prosecution. That was a mistake, because there was no way for them to avoid the accusation of politicization, and failing to act quickly allowed Trump to retake the White House and overtly politicize the justice department.
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Official act. No insurrectionists can run for president.
Cooler heads will remember that SCOTUS carved out the exclusive right to determine what actually qualifies as āofficialā
TLDR assassinating Trump would have only given magats a martyr.
Fighting that out in court wouldnāt bring back the dead and Biden is so old that thereād have been few consequences to him regardless.
But it was never in him. By letting the prosecution play out, and trusting the public he promised to represent, he acted as a faithful democratic leader. Wartime leaders like George Washington and Abraham Lincoln deliberately stepped aside to allow boring democratic leaders like Biden to facilitate reconciliation after conflict.
In this case, the tactical error was letting the public re-take the wheel, assuming they had learned their lesson and were now smart enough to not be fooled by the same fascist conman.
Making that decision for them might have thwarted the carnage, but more likely would have only postponed it allowing a significantly more competent and disciplined fascist administration to be granted power 4 years later.
Truth. When youāre the only ones playing by the supposed rules of decorum, are there really any rules of decorum?
Though it pains me, and this opinion will undoubtedly be unpopular, I disagree that it was a mistake for Biden to avoid making Trumpās prosecution a priority.
Obviously in hindsight it was a tactical error to allow American voters to re-take the wheel, but in principle the decision to not expedite a trial in order to conclude before the election expressed faith in the public to not screw up.
In technical terms he was acting as a jus post bellum democratic leader, not a responsible-government technocrat, pragmatic tactician, or revolutionary.
So itās easy to say in hindsight āitās a pity that he did not stab that vile creature when he had a chance!ā But trust in others you claim to represent is never a mistake, even when that trust turns out to be misplaced.
The DOJ was not under political control until Trump decided it should be. Again, I get that Republican brainrot has convinced you that open corruption is normal and good, but Democrats generally follow the laws.
What did they do about trump and the Epstein files before they lost all seats of power?
Hmmmm
Checks notes, ahh, I see, wrote memos.
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Iām not trying to attack you. Having read your history, Iām pretty sure you are well-meaning. But everyone, including you, would benefit tremendously if you would learn to consider the impact of the ideas you repeat based on when, where, and around whom you repeat them. If you need to vent frustration with other activists, there are more fitting places than public forums.
I suppose you mean RBG then? Or maybe crooked Hillary? Or
sleepygenocide Joe?He got a promotion.
ā¦Harrisā Zionismā¦Hillaryās emailsā¦Obamaās dronesā¦Clintonās philanderingā¦Carterās malaiseā¦
All totally accurate and proportionate. Obviously we should let the fascists fix everything.
Yes, and also prosecuted the surviving accomplice.
Now I understand that youād prefer Democrats to be just as openly corrupt and criminal as Republicans, but unfortunately for you the Democrats still do follow laws, even when those laws mean that the Epstein files remain sealed by court order.
Of course, that court order was lifted in 2025 and a law was passed specifying their release. Republicans, being much more willing to openly break the law, chose to not release them.
The only woman? Yeah, she was always going to be the scapegoat. A woman in a crime ring or a poc in a white manās ring, is a pressure release valve.
There are dozens and dozens of people they could have also been prosecuting. If not hundreds. But all they needed for their little legitimacy play is one. single. solitary. woman. For decades and decades and thousands of rapes and billions in money laundering and god knows what else.
Follow the law? I guess the law doesnāt say anything about being one of the actual hundreds of rapists or facilitating money laundering or anything. Jfc youāre drunk on their bullshit.
Many people have been prosecuted, not just maxwell.
Of course none of those prosecutions have been advertised on Fox News, so Iām guessing you havenāt heard of them. And, of course, since enough people bought into your bOtH sIdEs bullshit, most of those prosecutions have been quietly pardoned or dropped by Republicans.
Congratulations! If I genuinely thought you gave a fuck about the pedophilia, Iād say you played yourself. But Iām guessing you donāt really give a fuck about that, and just want to blame Democrats and defend trump.
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Yeah thatās about the level of āreasoned argumentā Iād expect out of you.
Give me an alternative then.
There isnāt one. Thatās why we vote Democrat, duh
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They didā¦ They released a memo. What, is that not GOOD ENOUGH??
an incident alleged to have taken place at New Yorkās Plaza Hotel in 1993
You donāt have to say āaccusedā we fucking know he did it
Mister āgrab her by the pussyā
I mean hate to say it but we donāt. If she came out and aaid OK much more likely but the Democrats being only source.
She DID accuse him publicly in 2024, why not justā¦ read?
Why read when you can just doubt a woman?
āI hate to say it but we donāt know the fire started here. All we have are the firefighterās reports about how there was a guy with a campfire here, The guyās proven record of starting fires, and a statement from a witness saying he did it.ā
Fuck off dude
Yeah, you can philosophically argue that we donāt āreallyā know anything you choose, since there is no way to prove with 100% certainty that the reader isnāt a brain in a jar or in the matrix or an actual simulation.
But for practical conversations about the real world, fuckin cāmon. The actual president of the actual country I live in is one of the most āaccomplishedā famous rapists on the planet. And if he isnāt, then he is the subject matter of the greatest psyop in human history.
The good thing is to assert that he did it because heās a scumbag. The correct thing is to preserve the presumption of innocence because thatās a reflection on us and itās a slippery slope to people picked up on the street for jaywalking and being incarcerated for their healthy valuable organs.
Being good and being correct can be at odds, but you need to one day understand why thatās okay.
In court, sure. This isnāt court and youāre not his lawyer. This is a web forum and itās fucking wild how people suddenly jump to his defense when hard evidence of yet another rape comes up.
Gtfoutta here.
The Democratsā *House Judiciary hearing at which she testified.
āFully exonoratedā? By whom? When? Where?
BTW, you cannot exonorate people like Trump, who never had any honor to start with.
By FBI agents redacting his name from Epstein files. What a time to be an FBI agent, spending all your time trying to cover up for daddy Donald Trump. I am sure they feel really proud of the work they do.
I mean, this is a new low for the FBI but itās not that much lower than their last low.
fair enoughā¦
By trump. In his muddy, nasty little mind.
I have the same question. They havenāt even released all the files, let alone investigated and prosecuted anyone. Theyāll just lie to your face and the press never ask questions.
Absolutely on brand for Trump.
Its just nuts that the WH can just issue a 3 sentence press release and the story barely rates a mention.
Who hasnāt trump raped, really? It honestly seems, given whatās in the Epstein files and in interviews and FBI reports, that every young blonde woman in his circles has either been harassed or raped, because he has a fucked up compulsion and no ability to constrain himself. He thinks all such women not only owe him that, but should be grateful for his disgusting, grubby attention.
Heās like Jabba the Hutt but somehow more disgusting. I think the list of women in his orbit who were not subjected to this shit would be much shorter.
āGrab them by the pussy. . .ā
He admitted to being a sex offender before being elected. It didnāt matter to republicans then, and it wonāt now. Theyāre twisted and depraved if they can continue to support him, with the constant drip drip of allegations. And what we hear about is going to be just the tip of an iceberg of abuse.
It did not help that so many wingers and of course their accomplices in the Murcās Law Media acted like the problem in that admission of sexual assault was using the word āpussyā.
Of course, since they were already so used to reaching for the ācivilityā narrative, because donnie said āpussyā instead of some other term, it was so very easy to talk about it as if āermhagawd, he said the P-WORD!ā was what people were actually taking issue with vs. the crimes he was actually admitting to.
It was absolutely infuriating.
I have to assume this is because they also think this is normal, which makes me highly suspicious theyāre sex offenders (or want to be) themselves. Why else would they think this is okay? So now, if someone tells me theyāre a republican, I recoil because I have to assume that means theyāre fine with rape.
Yeah, unfortunately I think thatās a fair assumption. I wouldnāt want a trump supporter around my kids - if I had any. I donāt think they forgive or overlook his sex crimes, I think they endorse them, maybe envy them.
Heās like Jabba the Hutt but somehow more disgusting.
Even Pizza the Hutt is less disgusting.
Iād bet some damn good money that that fat orange barrel of syphilis raped his daughter (on many occasions).
Thereās a video out thereā¦ Canāt remember the show, but they go into her childhood bedroom and she looks visibly shook.
Complete attitude change after memories come back.
Had not seen that, thanks for sharing. The complete tonal and attitude shift is pretty chilling.
Itās a little out of context, but given the mound of rape and child sexual misconduct against orange menace, itās very telling.
Itās a bad HBO ādocumentaryā from 2003 called Born Rich.
Itās actually a pretty good doc, IMHO.
Also, Ivanka admits to something donnie probably would not have admitted - that donnie was deeply in debt at one point. She says that he points to a homeless person and says they have more money than he does.
To each their opinion, of course.
Born Rich, which originally aired on HBO, is not a good movie. The camera angles are weird, the lighting inconsistent, and the theme never moves beyond āHaving money sure is complicated.ā
Love the whataboutism in this answer. Doesnāt matter the opinion.
Her reaction alone is impossible to dismiss. Sheās obviously traumatized about something here and gets very emotional. If you canāt connect to it I guess youāre a very troubled person. But its just a guess.
I completely agree that the film shows her traumatized in that room, probably related to the fact that her father, the president of the United States, is a child rapist. That has fuck all to do with whether itās a good film or not, which is what we were discussing lmao
Back all the way the fuck off, homie
Yea, we forget he is not just a pedo, he is an incestuous pedo
Same thing with all the women he hires, like Natalie.
ITT: People who totally forget how it came to be that the Epstein files are even public, the insane amount of fighting that has gone into this and is still going into it, and who have not read the report itself.
Hint: Hereās the actual report. You should read it.
Or hell, just read the introduction. It details many law enforcement and bipartisan Congressional efforts at all levels, in every way possible, over the span of multiple administrations, to act against the pedophiles in power.
You never asked yourselves that, did you? You have literally never asked yourselves, āHow is it I even know about Jeffrey Epstein?ā You only know about him BECAUSE a lot of people, Dems and pre-MAGA Republicans alike, did a great deal of something. He was only arrested BECAUSE a lot of people on all sides did a great deal of something.
But these people screeching in this thread ignore all that, and are acting as though a lawfully-acting US president has the power of a dictator and billionaires have none. This too is a flat out lie and distortion of reality. For example, it is well known that Epstein had informants in the FBI: that he even got arrested in 2019 is a miracle in itself. Billionaires pay people, including people in government, while a lawful president has his hands tied by the separation of powers created by the Constitution.
During Trump 1.0, there were still law-abiders in key positions in both the executive and the judiciary that were able to keep him in his lane and out of active investigations, and thatās how it was possible that Donald Trump was president when Epstein was arrested in July 2019: the investigation was run by the Southern District of New York on a local basis without involving DC. They had to work very hard at keeping it hidden entirely until they could make the arrest, and they did.
But you people yelling āNo one did anything!ā freely ignore all that, and are also very careful not to address the actual report or the evidence in it.
When Biden was president there were still open and active investigations: as a president who kept his oath to the Constitution, it was literally illegal for him to involve himself in them. Trump is NOT a law-abiding president, and he not only shits on his oath, breaking the checks and balances daily, he hired his own personal attorney to be Attorney General of the United States, who still works for the president as a single client.
Stop, and think about that for a second: this present Trump illegality is the exact behavior these people yelling about ānobody does anything!ā think Biden should have engaged in. Stop, and consider this. Trump uses the DoJ as his personal lawfare machine and the world screams, but here our esteemed shouty guests are suddenly all for Biden doing exactly that in this thread.
Why?
Because the shouters screaming āBiden did nothing! Dems did nothing!ā are only here for the midterms, and itās self-evident.
But Iām telling you personally, in ANY country, if you want an executive that interferes in the judicial ā a balance carefully crafted in the US Constitution by guys who know a fuckton more than internet randos and that is now violated daily by Trump ā then you do not want democracy: the stance you advocate is not compatible with a free society, and youāre looking at that play out in reality right now.
So stop with the gaslighting. Outside the corruption of Washington DC, people across the board want the Epstein files to come out, Dem and Republican alike. And the files we do have are a result of bipartisan cooperation to get them out.
No one wants to live in a country where rights only apply to the rich, and the story of Donald Trumpās filthy excesses is exactly that: a tale of how the laws never applied to someone rich enough to slither out of accountability to them.
When you say no one ever did anything, when in fact countless people have been fighting uphill battles for years ā as the report demonstrates and even lists ā itās not only a flat out lie, itās the kind of thing that people say when they donāt really want anything to change.
Happens every election around here. For anyone else, if youāre genuinely interested in who has been doing what, read the report.
That, and there is credible evidence that Vladimir Putin has a thing for little boys. Thatās what got Litvinenko killed. Letās all talk about that too, as long as weāre talking about billionaire pedos and those who will not stop them, because that sick motherfucker is at the very top of the depraved list.
A lot of good stuff here and I agree wholeheartedly until this.
No one wants to live in a country where rights only apply to the rich, and the story of Donald Trumpās filthy excesses is exactly that: a tale of how the laws never applied to someone rich enough to slither out of accountability to them.
There are plenty of people wealthy, rich, and poor that absolutely worship money. They have no problem that money has created a two-tiered society. This is the way it is supposed to be for them and anything else is going against the natural order. Our whole society is infatuated with wealth and we even have terms like āfuck you moneyā which is the ultimate in freedom for the US.
Who tf are you even talking to?
Ah, the āboth sides are evilā shills have shown up I see.
Shills?
Epsteinās Lolita Express was full of bOtH SiDeS. Youāll never stop hearing that, because it will always be true. Face the facts.
Fine, letās assume you are correct (and they are equal in number). Who is covering it up right now?
Donald Trumps personal lawyer is in charge now. Donāt you pay attention?
I mean, the dude in charge. Thereās no reason to expect the people not in charge to do anything different once theyāre in charge, is the point. If you want that not to be the case, youāll have to do something other than hope.
Because they are?
But genocide!
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And the consequences will beā¦?
USA! USA!
The consequences for an aqusation? I sure hope we donāt start punishing people for aqusations and this one bkt even made by the victim.
Usually the consequence for an accusation is there is an investigation, preferably a fair and unbiased one
Motherfucker. The devil does not need an advocate.
Children were abused,
The perps get away with it,
Who has the power?
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I wish they wouldnāt wait for the election cycle because the right just thinks itās a witch hunt.
There is literally no timing, messaging, or amount of evidence that wouldnāt be shot down as a witch hunt.
Iām pretty sure Donald Trump could give an oval office address just openly admitting he raped someone, and the right-wing media machine would instantly be telling people why they shouldnāt be upset about it.
The dems donāt care. Theyāre just doing this so they get elected. Then if/when theyāre elected, itāll get buried again.
Sure, could be that they do the right thing for the wrong reasons. But itās still the right thing.
So much this. I hate when people are like āthey donāt really believe thatā in response to some public statement. The public statement itself is important! Half a politicianās job is public speaking. What they say in public matters just as much as what they do in private, and immediately attacking someone for doing the unobjectionably right thing is self defeating.
These kind of defeatist comments smell like all those Harris will start WW3 astro turf comments from the last election cycle.
"Democrats arenāt doing anything!
Democrats do something.
āThey donāt mean it though!ā
āThe opposing candidate is not perfect/only slightly better, so we may as well wallow in shit up to our noses instead of it being only up to our chestā
No one suggested not voting for them.
In my experience a very large amount of lemmy users support an idea that you should not vote for the democrats because afterwards complatency is too easy while more of Trump may unlock a civil war revolution.
I highly disagree with it and i dont think it will work out that way. I rather fight facist-lite then cant-wait-for-an-excuse-to-bomb-āwokeā-cities-facism but i do understand the logic those āusersā apply.
The real question is, are those users actually real people voicing their personal opinions or are they trolls/bots. Its not a good sign how increasingly vocal they are right in front of a US election and suddenly silent afterwards. Complacent much?
My suggestion is to vote lesser evil and then the moment they win a No-kings protest, continueing to grill the entire office to make it clear their polical win comes with 0 support from the people.
Iāve literally never seen anyone on the threadiverse suggest that you should not vote for Democrats.
Wait here a second.
There we are, found it.
There are LITERAL accelerationists here that will tell you that voting is bad, because the system needs to get worse, so it can finally collapse. And they are not a small minority, though a minority they remain. They will gladly sacrifice anyone who dies to a fascist regime on their way to accelerate the collapse.
I think youāre mistaken. That post says āvote your ass offā.
I linked to a specific comment by kreskin, read that.
Maybe you are just lucky but most likely its my own fault for enganging to much with these people. They are rarely explicit about it in the first comment.
Well personally I find it disgusting to suggest that we shouldnāt hold āour teamā accountable simply because the other team is worse.
Iāve literally never seen anyone on the threadiverse suggest that we shouldnāt hold them accountable, or that they are āour teamā for that matter.
As i said before. My suggestions is to make it clear that a vote =\= support by large anti fascist protestation the second they get elected.
So far as I can tell, the only meaningful push to hold any Epstein pedophile accountable has come from the Dems, with the one Republican who pushed for it being ousted by the GOP and Israel.
I wouldnāt immediately jump to doomerism conclusions when so far all the evidence is pointing you in the other direction. Just get off your ass and go vote for the Dems.
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Also the instance I havenāt seen it before and there was a cm0002 account with that instance that appeared to have no bio?
Maybe but do you think a rapist is a good leader?
If they try to bury it theyāre going to meet the same fate. And Dem voters will be far less forgiving.
possibly but better not to have a rapist as President though
Thatās probably what they hope to do, but as Trump and co. have shown, you canāt quite put that genie back in the bottle that easily. Theyāll definitely be looking for an opportunity to sweep it under the rug though.
Can we start narrowing it down to people whom Trump hasnāt molested? Is that a shorter list yet?
