I originally thought about “and everyone in between”, but it does not sit well with me.

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        The dictionary disagrees with you

        (colloquial) Used to address a group of people regardless of gender

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          Doesnt change the fact that especially trans people might not feel included in this term. I am not a guy and I dont want to be referred to as one.

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        At least regionally, “guys” as in “hey guys” and “you guys!!” and “uh, guys?” – that is, to address a group is indeed gender neutral.

        In the Midwest you will absolutely hear spaces comprised solely of women use “guys” to address the group. Only the oldest sticklers/prescriptivists would insist said group be addressed as “ladies”

        That said, more than a few trans women I’ve met – even locally – don’t have that lived experience and I can imagine they find it difficult to believe.

        The search for less ambiguous language to protect their feeling of acceptance and safety is worthwhile even though “you guys” is a neutral address.

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    In Dutch people will solve that in mail by saying “Beste Mensen,” or “Lieve Allemaal” which translates as Dear People/ Dear All. Train stations don’t use “dear ladies/gentleman” announcements anymore, they say “dear travellers” instead. We just tend to avoid mentioning gender entirely lol.

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    Substitute it for “Those I don’t know half as well as I should like and those I like half as well as you deserve.”

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    Just replace it all with “(my) goodpeople” or something similar. I personally wouldn’t want to add a non-binary option. I would remove the binary ones entirely. Make all people equal.

    I’m a cis-man, and this might not be the popular non-binary option. I expect it to definitely not be the primary binary choice, as I think a lot of cis people want to be specifically recognized. I disagree with this though. Cis people aren’t better, so recognizing them specifically, but then everyone also as a different group, feels wrong.

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    if you’re asking for an add-on to ladies and gentlemen specifically I’ve wanted that too. all i’ve come up with is ‘ladies and gentlemen and kids of all ages’ and the ‘kids of all ages’ refers to all ages; so someone can be 18 and still be a “kid”

    but you’re probably asking for a formal situation so it’s not really helpful