Lemmy’s design is focused on quality content by ditching the Karma farmers and addicts. No more chasing upvotes—people here actually focus on real value instead of feeding the ego.

EDIT: I know there are upvotes and downvotes, but the problem with Reddit is you can’t post in most communities if your karma or reputation is bad. This is a big problem because herd mentality prevails there and if ypu have unpopular opinions you’re basically censored.

Lemmy isn’t designed to milk ypur dopamine with notifications every 10 upvotes, so you focus more on posting valuable cont instead of farming for approval and upvotes.

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    I just wanted to let everyone know there is an option in your settings so you don’t see upvotes or downvotes.

    None of these imaginary points fucking matter.

    So why don’t you do yourself a favor and uncheck these boxes and not give a fuck what others think about your comment.

    I know I have.

    (Lemmy is rad as fuck)

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    There can be many reasons reddit sucks, but I’d argue its mostly because Spez is a mega douche and Reddit was captured by mods who had agendas and just silenced anyone who disagreed. Or they were paid to do it.

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        It’s comparing lemmy to Reddit, not to the twitter zombie

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          Sadly Reddit has been toeing the line and has been banning any accounts for “threatening violence” for any support of Luigi no matter how peaceful or non-violent or ANY criticism of Elon The Musky Husky

          Heck even before my account was banned I was warned for “advocating violence” just for saying “It’s understandable to wanna punch Nazis”

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      Also, smaller servers means that it’s easier to spot criminal communities and boot their asses. Also individual servers can be cracked down on for hosting evil content, without all of Lemmy being destroyed.

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    Give it another year or two and we’ll have some website that tallies the karma of lemmy users. Clout is an insidious disease that grows like a social cancer.

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      Give it another year or two and we’ll have some website that tallies the karma of lemmy users. Clout is an insidious disease that grows like a social cancer.

      It has already happened with this piece of cancer.

      https://join.piefed.social/2024/06/22/piefed-features-for-growing-healthy-communities/

      Find people who have low karma

      When someone is consistently getting downvoted it’s likely they are a problem. PieFed provides a list of accounts with low karma, sorted by lowest first. Clicking on their user name takes you to their profile which shows all their posts and comments in one place. Every profile has “Ban” and “Ban + Purge” buttons that have instance-wide effects and are only visible to admins.

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    by ditching the Karma farmers

    How, exactly? Decentralization aside, lemmy is a reddit clone, but on a smaller scale. The same human psychology that drives reddit also drives lemmy. I think your assessment is more applicable to mastodon because there you really have to figure out how to fill your feed with content.

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    Oh my sweet summer child. EVERY new service and SocMed site starts out like this. Fresh, fun, and working properly. Until the masses show up. That’s when it goes to shit.

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      Yep, it’s just a matter of time till karma system is getting implemented on here too

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        Why make this assumption? Is there a reason you believe we need that karma system? I genuinely can’t think of any reason, outside of corporate interest to push engagement.

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            Of course you can see the comment’s individual karma. But, if you got my profile or yours, there is not accumulated karma.

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          I genuinely can’t think of any reason, outside of corporate interest to push engagement.

          On Reddit, I found that blocking people by account age and link karma noticeably improved the site. edit: For example, blocking 1 year old accounts with more than 100k link karma. /edit Mostly helped me filter out karma farmers from my feed that did nothing but repost memes or low effort shitposts.

          Of course, not having total karma publicly tracked might make reposting a nonissue.

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          Yep, any sort of karma system is needed to get the masses to join somewhere. To attract the majority of people you need something that keep them interested. Karma on reddit is the same as likes on Facebook or Instagram

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            Horrible take. I absolutely do not give a fuck about arbitrary internet points and would like to see an open discussion without a majority bias downvoting someone into oblivion just because they disagree. For example, your comment will not be hidden just because your comment is being downvoted.

            The only thing bringing profile karma to Lemmy will do is attract botters to inflate their credibility. Those could also be used to downvote others so the botter’s comments and posts are pushed to the top.

            Again, horrible idea.

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    idk about you but psychologically i never chceckef my ksrma scote but still pay some attention to how an individual comment/submission is perceived. cuz i took the time to write it and it’s cool if people like/understand it and it’s “important” if they dont (at least important to my rat brains)

    as a departure from this mentality, i will not edit the typos

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      I do this. I don’t pay it too much mind, but it’s helpful for seeing which posts or comments gain more traction.

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      I liked my karma back on my old reddit account (before being banned from supporting Luigi), but that is because I had the account for 12 years and invested too much time into it.

      So far I’m enjoying the laid back nature of lemmy. Hopefully there will be more engagement, maybe some UI updates too. But overall I’m liking the switch. The conversations and posts feel more real.

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        I got banned for my support of Luigi as well. 15 year account over there. Sometimes you gotta say goodbye to a friend.

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    We have plenty of astroturfing bots & powermods here. Once karma becomes a worthwhile metric for some to filter by, it’ll be abused & manipulated here, too.

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      For all the problems with karma it did allow for effective filtering. With most accounts on Lemmy being harder to create with captcha and approval it might not be needed

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        I disagree.

        All bots and astroturfers had no problem getting 500 karma or whatever with one /r/funny repost. Which just meant new users can’t contribute and every subreddit is left with power users and trolls.

        This would be even easier to game on Lemmy as it’s much more open and federated so getting 500 karma by a bot would be super easy.

        The only reliable way to moderate is manual review with technical fingerprint. I work in online fraud detection.

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          Bots it was pretty poor against. But it was amazing for random trolls who manually created accounts. Did cause disruption for newer uses though you just manually approve a few comments until they get over the karma threshold. I just wish there was a one click “ignore this filter for this account”

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        Yeah i just hope it stays that way and users stay genuine. A while ago i noticed some users who were really stubborn about some weird agenda. Not sure if bot or just stupid human.

        Also, nicole (the fediverse chick) is turning into a problem.

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    The lack of karma is definitely a plus. Zionist trolls can downvote all they want, no one cares. In fact, there isn’t much of an incentive for any to invest in “downvote farms”.

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    “Karma” is just a counter of a user’s recieved votes. It still exists on lemmy, most clients just choose to not display it.

    Also where is this “value content” supposed to be?

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    Lemmy still relies on upvotes for ranking the feed, so, farming them makes sense, it’s just isolated per each post.

    And I believe the issue might get worse as Lemmy grows. The reason Reddit came up with karma and all that is because the more people you have on your platform, the more baddies you have to account for.

    For now, Lemmy is small enough for a basic interpersonal reputation to mostly just work, but as it grows, we need something else. Presumably, not karma.

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      Piefed implements an “attitude” system which tracks up vote ratio and a few other simple metrics mods can use to identify bad actors

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        “bad actors” simply means “unpopular or politically incorrect opinions”. Fuck that.

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        Nice! The more I hear about Piefed, the more I am inclined to check it out

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      Can you explain what you mean with farming upvotes makes sense? There is no part of the algorithm that takes into account how many upvotes the OP recently got, or is there?

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        There is no algorithm at all as far as I know, for better or worse. The closest is the “Scaled” sorting option, which takes community size into account to help boost smaller communities. But I’d hardly call that an algorithm, even though it technically is.

        There is no point in farming upvotes here apart from feeding your brain’s dopamine response.

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        I think they meant on a post-by-post basis. You can’t farm account karma, but you can farm upvotes on individual posts, for ego, I guess…

        There is the vibe-check on Lemmy, though. I don’t believe the algorithm takes that into account.

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      There’s multiple sorting types that you can choose for your feed. How do you want your content ordered?

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    Visible post and comment scores are still going to produce some of this behavior. You may not have a total karma but people will still get dopamine from seeing their posts getting upvotes and be reinforced in doing the same again. So the same mechanisms of social pressure and uniformisation are at play. The worst being when people delete their minority opinion comments because of the downvote pressure.

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        Maybe. They might also mean you’re an idiot.

        Slashdot used to have a multidimensional voting system that would allow you to up or down vote something based on whether it was funny/insightful/correct, etc (can’t remember the dimension). I wish we had something like that. Sometimes it would be useful to mark a comment as “funny, but also wrong”

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          I had a discussion about using the Slashdot style voting rather than the Reddit style.

          It not only has the additional tag, it has the max “upvote” display limit of 5, and the display code will expand and promote the best rated comments, while hiding the garbage.

          I think comments on most forums would benefit from there being no ‘big upvote’ number to chase, as well as making the highest rated comments in a thread of say, 200, more obvious.

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            Right, thanks. Still a super useful system, IMO, though I’m sure better versions are possible.

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          I turn my phone sideways and then my upvote is in a different dimension.

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          Maybe. They might also mean you’re an idiot.

          If I am wrong sombody will generally probide a rebuttal tho but deff happens

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        Genuinely curious, does that mean that, for you, getting downvoted gives you dopamine/a sense of accomplishment?

        Your above comment is in the negative when I’m making this comment. Does that feel good? Again, genuinely curious, hard to put a non-judgemental tone in writing.

        I can’t relate to that feeling, upvotes and downvotes to me show how much a community agrees or disagrees with what I’ve said. Either what I said isn’t right for the community I posted it in or maybe just a generally unpopular opinion if I’m getting downvotes. Might make me reflect but usually no big deal, I’m mostly here for the discussions, memes and current events. Outside of trolling I don’t really see how getting downvoted might be seen as a good thing by a poster.

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          Does that feel good?

          I just want the absolute value of my comment’s karma to be high. That means it has been read at least that many times.

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            Oh, so if it’s going to be down voted anyway, then a lot of down votes feels good? Guess that’s more validating than a middling response

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          If people down vote but are unable to provide a coherent rebuttal, that means that they are rage down voting.

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            Not necessarily, I usually downvote comments where there are enough rebuttal replies but I still disagree heavily with what’s being said. I am able to provide the Nth coherent rebuttal but I’m just either lazy or I don’t want to contribute to the spam.

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            I guess getting people to rage can feel validating, knowing that I’ve made someone rage quit a game feels satisfying for sure.

            I don’t personally feel that way about sites like Lemmy/Reddit/Social-media in general where things are more discussion and social-interaction based though. I guess for my kind of discourse goals, if I’ve made someone angry rather than laugh or understand my perspective, I’ve done a bad job.

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    Lemmy is small enough, that without even seeing a karma total, some users have an unofficial “rapport”, where I’ve seen them around enough to recognize whether they are the type to go against the grain, a perpetual troll, or a usually reasonable person with an unusually spicy take.