Yes! Gimme back my sky!
You can’t take the sky from me.
Been binge-watching Firefly (again) all week. Midway through Serenity (again).
Was hoping their announcement would be for a full Season 2 of Firefly or a Serenity sequel.
But will happily take an animated series. For a live-action one, they would have to explain the natural aging. Animated, they can keep doing it for a long time.
Seems like they have a pilot script and no funding. This was way too much hype and preamble for an idea they’re still shopping around
The hype is the pitch. That’s how they get funded
Most series don’t get funded by directly asking fans to beg studios on their behalf. I don’t expect this series to ever see the light of day.
Of all fandoms, Firefly fans were exactly the type to take out a full-page ad in a major newspaper (hmm, remember those?) in a bid to keep the show on the air.
I know, I was one back in the day and I remember the campaigns. Doesn’t really change my feelings about TV show advertising now. There’s a big difference between fans begging for a show to come back and fans being told to beg for a new show to be funded.
Worked for Hazbin.
probably not the best example. The writing turned to shit because it didn’t have a real fleshed out plan beyond edge and hype. The fanbase became toxic, divided and cringe. The show is not long for this world.
Being a fan of a person is cringe. Doubly so if you dont know that person. That whole hazbin thing spun into celebrity worship. Their Broadway style show looked like a bronycon gathering.
although there is probably a sizable crossover, I unironically believe that Bronies are less cringe than Hazbin fans.
Bronies are generally positive and cheeful.
Hazbin fans are like max edgelords, lol-so-random-cheeze, im-14-and-this-is-deep, emo bullshit…
I can agree with that, at least MLP is wholesome for the most part.
I hope it still has the same vibes as Firefly and it’s not just Lower Decks with a Firefly coat of paint.
I mean, I was going to agree with you but on reflection I wouldn’t mind Lower Decks painted Firefly at all.
Whedon isn’t involved, so I might give it a shot.
I kind of feel the opposite way. I mean, will it be any good without Joss?
(I’m all for taking moral stances against artists, but he was canceled for being a dick, not for any of the much better reasons other people were canceled.)
Edit: also, Adam Baldwin is way, way more problematic.
Being a huge dick is good enough for me to not want to watch his media. He was really toxic and I don’t want to support that. The fact that the abuse was not sexual doesn’t mean it was not bad.
That’s fair. I’m just saying it’s less of a dealbreaker for me personally than if he were racist or sexually abusive.
Or like if he’d been a leader of a harassment campaign against women and minorities that led to the rise of the alt right, like Adam Baldwin, that’d be a hard dealbreaker.
It’s you!
He wasn’t cancelled for “being a dick”, he was cancelled for being a serial abuser and sex pest.
Don’t try to rewrite history just cause you liked the guy before it was revealed
Who accused him of being a “sex pest”? When did that happen? Because I double checked before my comment and triple checked just now.
Last I heard he was making women feel uncomfortable by asking coercive questions, and one of the male actors that worked with him refused to let him be alone in a room with women for fear that he’d be creepy towards them and make them uncomfortable
So you’re just accusing me of rewriting history based on your memory?
The thing about not letting him alone with Michelle Trachtenberg was because he was an abusive dick and she was a kid. If there was a sexual component to it, nobody ever mentioned it. As far as I can find, none of the accusations against him are sexual in nature.
Abusive, misogynistic even, sure. But not sexual.
So when you accused me of rewriting history…
Ah yes that’s much better, being abusive to a child
Yes, being verbally abusive to a child is much, much better than being sexually abusive to a child.
I find his style cringey and out of date. Plus he wasn’t just a dick. He was championed as this great writer of women and a feminist in Hollywood while treating his stars like shit.
It’s also hard for me to not see how he directed for the male gaze. If there are boobs, they’re low cut with some jiggle. (Ex: In The Avengers, there’s a woman that Cap saves. She gushes to a reporter afterwards. The scene that establishes her as a character who met Cap earlier? That was cut, but he kept the boob shots.)
Adam Baldwin may be worse but we are talking a paycheck for voicework compared to, say, showrunner status for Whedon.
That actress with the reporter is Ashley Johnson. Chrissy from Growing Pains, and Ellie’s VA in The Last of Us.
I know that’s not really relevant to what you’re getting at.
I actually really appreciate that!
I love giving credit where it’s due, especially to smaller roles.
That was cut, but he kept the boob shots.)
…the editor, you mean? Your best example is something someone else did?
If that changes your perspective on this show, Tudyk and Fillon among don’t mind praising him in a personal level right now. They have a podcast together I found recently and in the last show they invited another common friends of his.
I don’t follow what happened, I don’t really care much about who’s who on the media (except when the fucking critical drinker appeared in an audiobook), but I was surprised after all the negative feeling I’ve seen
I don’t wanna judge those with personal relationships with Whedon. Everyone is free to have their viewpoint, especially when they have history together.
Plus I still rewatch some of his stuff. I’m not perfect either.
I certainly agree with your reservations. However i wonder if it would matter either way. Is he even capable of that kind of writing and creativity anymore? Recapturing the magic of something you made 20 years ago is not easy to do. People change a lot.
The fact that people change a lot is a big problem for me with Firefly to begin with, because I loved Firefly, but…I was like 17 when I watched it. I’m in my late 30s now. I do not feel the same about it anymore already, in ways where I don’t think it should come back at all.
Did his writing fall off? Is there something in his later work that was really bad? If not, I don’t see any reason to think he couldn’t do it again, and he’s probably got more ideas on how to do it than anyone.
Twenty years ago he was the only one who could do it. He wrote the manual on genre-bridging action/comedy storytelling with an ensemble cast. It’s why Avengers worked when it probably shouldn’t have, and any similar successful properties since then have followed his lead.
I’m not trying to deify the guy, but I think the unique nature of his talent is swept under the rug since he got canceled.
He’s one of a kind. No one has ever quite matched what he does with dialogue, even if the hyper sarcasm is a bit much at times, and a clutch.
Man, I must have missed something… How was he a dick?
A lot of stuff came out a few years ago, tons of specific instances, but it mostly boiled down to him just being a jerk. Saying mean things, saying them meanly. Stuff that would have gotten most people fired.
I’m understating it, but it wasn’t overtly misogynistic or racist. No sexual misconduct, unless cheating on his wife with consenting adults counts.
Just… being a dick.
What about how Michelle Trachtenberg said he wasn’t allowed to be alone with her?
That was because he was too much of an asshole, not because he was sexually inappropriate.
Why are you acting like it was more than what the people who actually leveled the accusations said it was?
The last I heard, it sounded like there might have been more to it. Perhaps there wasn’t, I haven’t followed it since so I asked a question. Sorry I asked.
It’s not sexual stuff, but Charisma Carpenter wrote about what an absolute sadistic and petty asshole he could be. It’s hard not to see with Cordy later in Angel.
When did Baldwin sexually assault people?
He didn’t, where did you get that? He did have a part in the origin of “#GamerGate” in that he’s often cited as the first use of the hashtag when sharing a few videos talking about the original ‘thezoepost’ blog post. He’s mostly just kind of a huge asshole based on the things he has posted or said publicly but he’s never been associated or accused of any substantive abuses AFAIK.
That is my point, meanwhile Joss Wheaton is accused of Harvey Winestein style abuse.
Except that isn’t the case at all. Whedon has been accused of being inappropriate, verbally abusive, and creating toxic work environments. Weinstein has been convicted of sexual assault and charged with multiple rapes. None of this is said in defense of these monsters but equating them to the same level of abuse is simply factually incorrect.
Not really, more like Ari Gold style abuse.
citation needed
Sorry; someone was convicted of assault?
While I agree on principle they just tried Buffy without him and are talking of cancelling it now after testing the pilot.
It’s dead, Hulu isn’t picking it up.
I was never a big fan of Buffy personally, but maybe the material was lacking or the pilot was good and the execs are idiots.
Buffy worked because of the particular writing style. The snappy little jokes and dialogue but paired with a genuinely horrific setting.
Whedon has been involved in a lot of projects as a script doctor. Called in to give dialogue a once over.
So that style of snappy little jokes made it’s way into fucking everything, even when it actually clashes with the setting and detracts from the story.
So now we’re all sick of that “style”.
James gunn has picked up this “grand setting, but with real people” style and done it better. Messy, sometimes stupid, clearly vulnerable people mixed with the power of gods. Sincerity as a writting style.
Wheadon tapped into it that dynamic, but for firefly it was also the cast being themselves. Heres hoping that the script leans in the Gunn direction and also lets the cast breathe the way they used to.
Cowboy Bebop?
Huh, didnt see this coming. I’ll hold judgment, here’s hoping
Married writing-producing team Marc Guggenheim (DC’s Legends of Tomorrow, Arrow) and Tara Butters (Agent Carter, Reaper) are attached to serve as showrunners
Doesn’t fill me with confidence, but we’ll see i guess.
Agent carter and Reaper were both well received by fans, but didn’t gain the following needed to avoid cancellation.
Agent Carter is fantastically fun and pulpy!
How many firefly fans does it take to screw in a lightbulb?
None - they just sit around and bitch about how it went out years ago
False dilemma presented. Classic.
I mean, I’ll change it, where do we keep the spare Fireflies?
Good question. The real ones are going extinct.
But we’re talking about screwing in a new show, not the real bugs. You got any spare show laying around, or?..
For a show nobody watched, they sure have squeezed a lot of material out of it.
The first internet success case. Edit: you also can’t blame them, they aired on FOX. lol
Save Our Sailors didn’t spend all that time making websites to be forgotten like this
it was the victim of a change of guard in Fox. the internal politics , not wanting the other guy to have success was the death of the series. they put it on at a horrible time slot and didn’t show it in order.
i was working an early Saturday shift at the time, so I was watching Friday night tv, and fell instantly in love with the show. even though it didn’t make a lot of sense because it wasn’t shown in order, made it mysterious and even more interesting. then they cancelled it before the whole series was presented.
I for sure helped keep it alive at the time
i was a popular person in a couple large internet circles at the time. I had been working a couple contracts at top tech jobs in Seattle. I had the ear of a couple very rich people. and my anger about it for sure helped bring attention to the injustice. I was able to invest in the DVD sale before it was announced to the public ❤️
so it’s revival is so sweet right now
Well, too be fair to the network, coming back to the series without my rose tinted glasses I absolutely blame Joss for sticking to his guns and insisting the pilot had to be feature length. That pilot absolutely could have been cut down to less than an hour, and as you said the out of order opening left audiences confused. I’d say it’s like 70% the studios fault and 30% on Wheaton.
Yeah, wasn’t this one of the many shows they Foxed up by trying to air it during primetime, creating an obvious audience mismatch, panicking when the ratings didn’t top the charts and then moving it around through various time slots until it was canceled?
Don’t forget how Fox wouldn’t even keep to a schedule. Shows would get bumped from their slots on an almost weekly basis to play baseball, “news flashes”, re-runs of movie franchises that had a new film coming out soon. It was like a 2/3 chance that the show you wanted to watch was even going to air in its usual time slot each week.
Not different timeslots, the same one with random preemptions for baseball games. There was one point where the show missed 2 weeks in a row. I was pissed.
Oh, wow. That’s even worse than I thought. Are Fox executives just pencil-whipping stuff between lines of coke?
Ah, the Farscape treatment.
Animated you say… This could work.
Only way they can fix the timeline.
I always said, to continue the series they need to say the movie never happened. The movie was to wrap up all the years’ worth of story lines that were planned and/or possible.
What’s the timeline issue?
All the actors are much older now.
That and one died at the end of the movie.
Two. Book and Wash are dead. Also Ron Glass is actually dead.
Lol, I was thinking continuity/cannon errors.
Alan being a cast member should bring other issues
This is a down side for me. This can’t work.
The Star Trek vibes grow ever stronger with this one
yay! this is great news
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