• josefo@leminal.space
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      23 days ago

      Don’t forget the serial input for gamepads and joysticks in the dedicated sound board for some reason

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        23 days ago

        Early PC only had 5 card slots, and the only jack on the motherboard was the keyboard. One slot is going to be used by a video card, one’s probably being used by a hard drive controller, one’s probably used by a parallel + serial card. Soundcards also included controller ports to try to save a slot.

        • jaybone@lemmy.zip
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          23 days ago

          I thought sometimes they called them game ports (for the joystick.)

          I reasoned if you are installing a sound card, you are probably doing some gaming, so it made sense to sort of bundle those together.

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            22 days ago

            Its on the sound card because it’s a midi port. Its designed for connecting a keyboard (as in electronic piano). Most people used it for gamepads but that’s not what it was there for.

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        Except that wasn’t a serial port, it was midi, and the reason it was on the sound card was because the input was analog.

        Your joystick was just two fancy potentiometers, and your soundcard decoded the voltage on the middle legs into a position.

        Soundcards handled joysticks because they had the fastest ADCs.

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          More info: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_port

          The 15-pin D-sub connector itself was apparently a combination of analog and digital. It had to be, since MIDI is digital (it’s right there in the name: Musical Instrument Digital Interface). TIL it wasn’t all digital.

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          huh, i thought it was just because “owning a sound card” and “likely to play games” was the biggest overlap of the Venn circles.

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          They didn’t even use an ADC. They used 555 timers to produce a pulse. They measured the length of the pulse to determine the potentiometer position. Since there are 4 analog inputs, they typically used the 558 timer which is the quad version of the 555.

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            22 days ago

            And here I thought I had it all figured out. But it does make sense. Doing it with an analog signal introduces noise and measuring pulse widths is going to be simpler.

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        The error message sounds bad, but it was actually a good thing. A better phrased error message might have been “Keyboard missing. Connect a keyboard and press F1 to continue.” But, in the early days every byte mattered.

        The system wouldn’t work without a keyboard, and if you get further into the boot process you might not be able to shut down cleanly if you didn’t have a keyboard attached. That error message gave you a chance to attach the keyboard, or to troubleshoot why the keyboard wasn’t being properly detected (like the plug got bumped and wasn’t making good contact anymore).

        It was annoying when the lack of a keyboard was intentional. Like, you wanted to use the machine as a server. But, AFAIK you could disable this check if you knew the machine was going to be a server with no permanent keyboard attached.

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    “do you know what ps/2 ports are?”

    “holy cow, PlayStation 2? you must be AT LEAST 25!”

    [dying inside intensifies]

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    I raise

    edit, actually, it might have been on the back…it’s been forever since I touched one

    • Onomatopoeia@lemmy.cafe
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      23 days ago

      Ooh, I had a serial mouse (9 pin) from Microsoft of all companies, in the 90’s.

      Damn good mouse.

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          I always see those videos where people give kids a walkman or a rotary phone and ask them to figure out what it is or how it works. I’m imagining some medieval merchant handing me an abacus and laughing because I can’t figure it out.

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            It’s little endian, so the beads on the far right are used to outnumber the big endian beads at the top on the woke left. After several computations, the middle section is just gone

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                You know how some languages write left-to-right, and some rught-to-left? Endianness is that, for numbers.

                Or another analogy is dates: 2025/12/31 is big endian, 31/12/2025 is little endian. And 12/31/2025 is middle endian. Which makes no sense at all because the middle is, by definition, not an end.

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                  I stand corrected. No idea what I was reading (several years ago), but whatever it was made it seem way more complicated. Maybe it was just an explanation from somebody who didn’t know.

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            Fun fact, the Romans would never have labeled their abacuses like this. It would have made calculating very difficult; they effectively worked with modern numbers in bead form, and then used the famous numeral system just to record the results.