Democratic leaders in the U.S. House of Representatives have condemned a raid on Rep. Ilhan Omarās home as ādeeply disturbingā and accused the Trump administration of a ārogue abuse of powerā just weeks ahead of Novemberās midterm elections.
Letās see if they do anything besides strong words and maybe some paddles.
This is a pretty serious escalation. We all knew it was coming, so Iām not going to act surprised. But letās all take a moment just to acknowledge how serious it is that a sitting president just had his DOJ (or DHS, whoever it was) raid the home of a political opponent without probable cause, any evidence or reasonable suspicion of wrongdoing, and presumably no warrant.
Like we knew he was on a hitler kick, but this now so close to the midterms is justā¦ well, very hitler of himā¦
They had a warrant supposedly, so some judge signed off on this too.
Yup, the rot isnāt only at the top. Itās in the system too, and will need to be excised accordingly.
If you need any sign that the Democrats in power are just as bad, just as complicit, then take a look at their reaponseā¦
Nothing but words.
Half of the Democrats (the AIPAC Funded ones), were probably happy to see this raid conducted.
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U mad bro?
Heās probably frustrated by your lack of understanding of the civic system.
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Itās ironic that folks like you claim to be against the concept of āAll talk no actionā when you yourselves only ever vaguely allude to what it is you think the Democrats should be doing.
The childrenās table is reserved for the adult children that complain loudly but donāt actually have any solutions.
If thereās something you think the Democrats should be doing, why donāt you just say it?
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I guess youād spend the time detailing it since itās literally your point to make. You made a top level comment on this post complaining about how the Democrats wonāt doā¦something that you are unable to articulate, yet demand from them.
Continuing to be evasive by refusing to elaborate on your own opinion is not exactly helping you make whatever point it is youāre trying to make. Nor is calling other people children while you behave like the quintessential Reddit teenager.
They did use a lot of bold font in the letter. So thereās that.
Kiddo, you donāt even register on my dayās emotional scale.
But I will always take a moment from my day to post and point out anyone whose āadvocacyā either calls for violence or instructs people to not support the Democrats, which are both positions that benefit the Nazis.
So congrats on helping the Nazis! Iām sure if your family still spoke with you, theyād be Proud (Boys) too.
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Thats all you weak fuckers do, condemn this, condemn that, when are you fucking spineless losers actually going to persecute anyone over their crimes.
*prosecute
And/or
I know what I said.
Persecution implies that itās unjust. So Iām not sure that you do.
If you want them to do something, give them enough power to by voting for them. They arenāt in control of any of the branches of government so wtf do you want them to do? If they act outside the law they are literally just like any of the rest of us and are just giving the Republicans ammunition to use against them.
Democrats arenāt in charge of the fucking federal Gestapo, so what exactly are you mad at them for?
be mad at the Nazis, not the fucking victims of Nazis.
Keith Ellisonās the AG of Minnesota. He was supposed to be one of the Ultra Far-Left Super Socialist Antifa Progressives. Is he planning on pressing charges onā¦ anyone? Idk, maybe write him a letter and ask.
They canāt prosecute criminals because that would be āpoliticalā
Oh theyāre really upset, very serious finger wagging. We might even get up to āsternly worded letterā levels of anger.
Then give them more power. They arenāt gonna act outside of what the law allows them to.
They all chase incentives. They are only in congress in the first place as a career anyway. Idk if any democratic candidate has even been floating the idea of overturning citizens united recently, but until they become the party of
money out of politicshaving made bribing politicians illegal and having re-nationalizedthe federal reservethe US currency system back from the parasite class, I think they both look nearly the exact same shade of purple to me. Once buying children from over seas is off the table and no epsteen class sociopaths are ever platformed again, politics may become a tool for protecting and producing avenues for upward mobility for the lowest quality of life individuals, families, and communities, both ādomesticā and āforeignāChange takes time and we are moving in the wrong direction. Youāre giving the āboth sidesā argument and I donāt buy it for a fucking minute. We didnāt have these aggressive ICE tactics under any Dem, we didnāt have wildly reduced NIH, medicare, and medicaid funding under Dems (including food inspection changes that are working against us). We didnāt have āwoke is the cause of all things evilā under Dems (and DEI includes protections for disabled people). We didnāt have environmental regulations wiped out under Dems. We didnāt have our election integrity threatened under Demsā¦ I could go on. All these things are incredibly important but because you buy into the āboth sidesā argument all you can see are the extremes.
what we think doesnāt matter, only what we do. And one does not have to ābuyā ideas, they are free to pick up and set down at any time, contrary to popular beliefs. Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I donāt disagree with you. I simply fear that generations will pass with people still continuing to be sold to leaders of whatever system is in control before we can ever work meaningfully towards dismantling trafficking pipelines, if that could ever even be possible here.
Iām not advocating against voting for democrats, in case you were inserting that into your understanding of my position. I think if you can vote, you should vote for them this election, especially if you live in a christian nationalist community, since that would likely suggest that you would be directly contributing toward a more workable [pun found] position for the working (non-parasite) class in the future. That doesnāt have to mean that I expect any restorative policies out of the Democrats at the federal level any time soon. We can create new
partiessystems, itās notillegal orimpossible
Itās weird to me that so many people are still convinced there is a peaceful way out of fascism. There can be no peace while conservatives continue to infest our nation. They need to be completely removed before we will find any amount of peace. Conservatives are truly, deeply evil and cannot stop harming everyone around them. They must be forcibly stopped or they will only get worse.
Do you mean authoritarianism or fascism specifically? I mean look at Orbanās Hungary for a mostly non-violent way out.
Then you donāt understand what is actually happening. Just getting trump out of office is not enough. There need to be expedited, quick trials and immediate punishment for the pedophilia and treason that has been livestreamed in 4k for the last decade.
Viktor orban is free. There are some more show trials but even his rival that ādefeatedā him says āthe courts must decideā.
What do you think will happen in our country?
Everyone has been primed for quick and happy acceptance of fascism. We were given an illusion of choice. Descend into techno fascism through physical violence, or administrative means. Either way, the people behind all of the issues here will not face time and are already funding Democrats (Thiel).
People will be so happy that trump is gone and they wonāt even remember about flock cameras, employers monitoring your own body heat and emf frequencies to āknow your moodā. We will not get any money back from the tarriffs. Prices will not go back down to anything substantial. They will be so distracted by the judge Judy like committee hearings and āspecial prosecutorsā that will be āso closeā to convicting anyone meaningful
And you will all cheer
Who are you talking to? Youāre making a fictional strawman then arguing against them. I agree with you mostly. Trump will never face a day of justice, and heās not leaving office alive.
I typed this whole other response but lemmy didnāt save it for some reasonā¦
heās not leaving office alive.
That sounds like a good first step.
Not by anyone elseās doing other than his own
Iām disagreeing with your claim that Hungary found a non violent way out of fascismā¦
I then explained why.
Only because of the EU actually punishing Orban for democratic backsliding by withholding funds. It is also hard to do authoritarian things when part of a confederated organisation. Meanwhile, the US has a more centralised government and a single culture, so it regulatory capture is much easier for any authoritarian figures to sneak in.
Itās weird to me that so many people are still convinced there is a peaceful way out of fascism.
Itās not a matter of conviction, itās a matter of impotence. Fascists are mobilized, organized, and well-financed by their oligarch allies. Antifascists are untrained, scattered, and overwhelmingly working class or outright lumpen.
Conservatives are truly, deeply evil and cannot stop harming everyone around them. They must be forcibly stopped or they will only get worse.
Well, you seem like youāve got the Will to Power. Get out there and get to it, then. Wave your sword around. Slay the dragon. It should be easy.
I may not be able to slay the entire dragon, but I can encourage my fellow antifascists to act.
Just because we act alone, it doesnāt mean we are alone in the fight. Whether a resistorās taste is subtly lethal or violently overt, there are countless ways to resist fascism locally.
Conservatives are a wide-spread infestation. They are relatives. They are colleagues. They are neighbors. Be discrete. Be merciless. Be prolific.
Just because we act alone
That is a huge part of the problem.
It will take group action, not individual action* to fix what is wrong with the USA.
And sustained group action at that.
I wish I could see that happening, but there is simply no social media platform that will allow us to organize violent resistance against a violent enemy.
there is simply no social media platform that will allow us to organize
MLK didnāt need a social media platform.
Go talk to people in the real world.
This wonāt stop me from voting in the upcoming midterms, but Iām of the opinion that the last presidential election was The Last Election, in that I mean the last one that could have mattered. People refused to vote against genocide at home because of genocide on the other side of the world (or so they said).
So yeah. Forceful removal of fascists is the only way forward left.
Itās weird to me that so many people are still convinced there is a peaceful way out of fascism.
Thatāll happen when you stop teaching people history.
Fascists love the poorly educated.
On the one hand, Trump and co. are looking for excuse to invoke the Insurrection Act. Itās a delicate balance.
Theyāve already doing the things that people are scared of.
Arbitrary detentions? Already happening
Shooting protesters in the street? Already happening.
Concentration camps? Already happening.
Tracking citizens movements and keeping records of political āenemiesā? Already happening.
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The only thing that isnāt happening is people rising up en masse against it.
ICE is going to kidnap her and sheās going to be deportedā¦ itās all part of the plan.
Theyāve just announced their 1st public execution. I have a feeling this is going to become an expanding trend.
They what?
I didnāt doubt you, but fucking ew.
People are comparing it to the live broadcast execution from the incompetent fascist government in the Starship Troopers movie. I called it āsomewhere between clockwork orange and running manā.
I donāt know what that means, but itās so vile from a human rights perspective. I keep forgetting that the U.S. still does executions. Baffling how the U.S. has posed themselves as the āleader of the free worldā, and how many just willingly suck that up for so long when they are brutal, cruel, and inhumane in all aspects of living.
Yeah, ādeportedā.
More like ādisappearedā. I hope not.
Yeah that would be another major escalation in the ongoing constitutional crisis. Itās one more bizarre take from Republicans. They would have lost their minds if Obama went after a member of congress. I will say this for the current administration, though, theyāre doing a fantastic job of highlighting improvement opportunities for the Constitution. If the country miraculously pulls itself together enough to pass any kind of amendments at all, but especially one limiting executive powers, they should definitely be named after the person whose kind of behavior itās trying to limit. I know theyāre just numbered. I mean a name like āThe Bill of Rights,ā which describes the first ten amendments.
āThe Agenda of Executing Trumpistsā, perhaps?
Get this, theyāre already trying to create justification: Donald Trump has repeated the false claim that Ilhan Omar married her own brother to abuse the greencard system, despite the fact that the rumour started on a blog in 2016 from some random guy in Minnesota and has never resulted in any evidence.
I feel like if there was a shred of plausibility to this outrageous and infantile claim that it wouldnāt take over 10 years to find anything even when the admin deeply despised her for 6 of those years.
According to Omar, she and her family fled the Somalian civil war in 1991. They moved to the U.S. in 1995 after residing for four years in a Kenyan refugee camp. Omarās mother had died, so her father and grandfather raised her and her siblings. In 2018, Omar showed a reporter from the Minneapolis Star Tribune photos of documents from her familyās entry into the U.S. after fleeing the civil war. She did not provide the reporter with copies of these papers but showed that they listed her father and showed her as the youngest of seven children. There was no one named Ahmed Nur Said Elmi listed in the documents.
We previously noted that Omar and her siblings all arrived in U.S. with refugee statuses. Omar was a minor when she became a naturalized U.S. citizen. How one sibling could end up with a completely different immigration status from the others remains unexplained by the claims.
āDeportedā is just code for murdered these days.
If you get sent to a third world country you have no affiliation with, youāre already dead. Itās not like theyāre getting sent anywhere safe.
Yep. I said this earlier. Sheās going to be removed from the country.
Itās a good plan
A senator in Virginia got raided a while back. Another woman of color who was a Democrat.
People donāt even remember the MN Democrats that were ASSASSINATED by MAGA (including the āconcernedā Democrats that everyone wants to vote for)
Fuck I did completely forget that. Weāre definitely in the āFactors Leading Up Toā part of the wikipedia entry now.
Way to not address anything. Useless shill
uhā¦ did you reply to the wrong comment? You seem to be lost.
Oh yes. I apologize to you. Several people are arguing in this thread. This one was a mistake, Sorry
When then midterm is done, if the democrats win, the head of DHS (Markwayne Mullin) should be hauled in for contempt of Congress, then thrown in jail. Every agent involved should be put on a list of people unemployable in America and their contacts all investigated and any hint of foreign influence should turn this into treason and conspiracy charges for every last one. It seems weāre paying for a firing squad and money is tight, so letās get our value out.
I get that this wonāt happen, but if Democrats need to compromise, letās start negotiations from this position.
Oh no funds Trumps funding Bill again
The dnc can get fucked. I hope the only ppl that win their elections are socialist candidates that want universal healthcare, taxing the rich, et al. Maybe then the dnc will get the message
DNC will declare bankruptcy before they change their tune
The GOP will bankrupt your country and massacre thousands on thousands before they change.
Get some fucking perspective and take action instead of moping.
Isnāt that the point? That we shouldnāt wait for the DNC to act but take matters into our own hands? Thatās not moping, itās saying no one is coming to save us so we donāt need permission to act.
I understand your point, butā¦
Theyāre not taking matters into their own hands either. Theyāre just waiting for someone DIFFERENT to come save them.
Isnāt this the meme āI like pancakesā - āSo you hate waffles?ā
Recently went to a community organized meeting where we coordinated ICE watch actions, how to pressure our school board, care packages for those they release, etc. They also asked us to vote and to talk to our families about voting.
So what are you doing? Besides just being a doomist?
Iām of the opinion that these doomers are either bots or closet republicans. Democrats have made mistakes but its suspicious that they never talk about the people actually doing the awful things that the Democrats are supposedly not doing enough to save them from while not holding any majorities.
I hope the only ppl that win their elections are socialist candidatesā¦
I mean, I want to have those policies and services too, but youāre saying if itās a non-socialist Democrat versus a Republican, you want the Republican to win?
Iām guessing if that happens youāll get your wish for no DNC by 2028, because weāll be a state-enforced one-party system by then.
but youāre saying if itās a non-socialist Democrat versus a Republican, you want the Republican to win
Weāre saying if its fascist or fascist-lite, weāll select neither in order to pressure fascist-lite to do better. And if the Dems still dont wanna then they can lose. Its the only way to prerssure them. We cant play chicken we have to give them real consequences.
Sorry, but that doesnāt really make sense. Here are your options:
You donāt vote at all, or vote third party: If you totally sit out the vote, you are having no effect, or are voting for the status quo by omission.
You vote republican: You are voting for the worst outcome.
You vote democrat: You are voting harm reduction.
Now to be clear:
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āHarm reductionā is not just about you. Itās about LGBTQ people, itās about people who are on ACA who will die due to continued cuts, itās about immigrants who are going to be abused. Even if you think the democrats are āfascism-liteā (which I think is severely reductionist), you are severely downplaying, to the point that it mirrors GOP lack of empathy, the harms others are experiencing due to your refusal to vote for harm reduction.
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In the primary, please, please vote for the most progressive person you can find, and let corporate democrats eat all the dicks. But in the general, please donāt just think of yourself and your emotional response of āscrew them all!ā Because āthem allā includes your allies.
P.S.: Also, what is the point of downvoting good faith discussion? It really is not nice.
Youāre right, and I see the hope for pressuring to work but doubtful. If Harris won there wouldnāt be all this damage to the world. Wouldnāt have all the suffering in concentration camps paid by taxes, and they would be contributing to the communities they were. Things were better two years ago and all the regression is directly related to bad maga choices. All the blame on Biden for global issues was dumb, but too many donāt care or know better so it will continue unfortunately.
You think blaming Biden for the genocide he actively supported is dumb?
These ideal purists donāt believe in harm reduction. The actual outcome isnāt important, they only care that their hands are clean.
Theyāre not debating in good faith. Theyāre accelerationists and both sidesers, they work for MAGA.
Accelerationists wouldnāt support maga. Congrats on learning a new word, but it works better when you know what it means.
Hello brand new account attempting to discourage voting!
Nope, vote as much as you can!
What else ya got?
voting is not harm reduction
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So youāll accelerate the fascism to punish the significantly empirically less fascist group? Sound fuckin logic there brainiac. So you want fascism. Youāre a fascist accelerationist.
I sure am, but I do hope the dems leadership pulls their heads out of their arses before the system immolates, but Iām not going to stand around while the government oils the gears of our half assed democracy with the blood of innocents. If it literally takes blood to continue, then it needs to end. Youāre just whining because you are so sure the blood wont be yours-- when you shouldnt be sure. Thats ghoulish, bud. And a tad evil and short sighted. But you do you.
The Dems will stand around with their dicks in their hands while the whole thing implodes. Thereās no common sense in that tent
So you admit that Democrats are fascist, just not AS fascist as those Republicans they bump elbows with and share donors with, right?
No Iām saying your ālogicā is stupid and self defeating because it is.
That would be YOUR words, GENIUS
How can one accelerate what is not there to begin with?
youāre saying if itās a non-socialist Democrat versus a Republican, you want the Republican to win?
Iām glad people are finally starting to understand how Tankies work. Iād be real skeptical of any lemmy_today accounts you see, theyāre still federated with the Tankie hive that is Hexbear. Theyāre just Russian and Chinese trolls, the lot of them. Itāll be nice once everyone decent finally makes the move over to piefed and we can start delisting all of the lemmy instances.
A Fucking Men. Tankies are every-fucking-where in these online political discourses. I got banned from the āUSAā community on lemmy.ml for trying to REASONABLY argue with these fucks. Iām done being reasonable when they twist every word and just try to paint you as the bad guy. Thereās some real funky shit going on online, Iām just gonna troll and downvote and play their own game right back at them. People need to see how fucking dishonest their line of discourse is.
Well its not up to you, finitebanjo. The dems dont have the votes to lose their progressive voting block and still win elections-- even against trump-- so they can choose to do their effing jobs or they can lose. Weāre well aware youāll vote for them either way, thats factored into the math already.
And you can call people names all day finitebanjo, no one could possibly care any less what centrist armchair generals like yourself think. All you lot do is lose and cave constantly. You centrists are a complete clownshow.
Kreskin your post and comment history are visible. Anybody can just click on your name and see that your whole account exists just to denigrate democrats. Youāre a bad faith accelerationist. Thatās not me calling you a name, thatās all your posts and comments outing you for what you are.
Iām well aware that I keep my comment list open. People who are honest about their positions and have no shenanigans to hide tend to leave their comments open.
Whats a ābad faith accelerationistā exectly? One who is not commited to true accelerationism? Or are you trying to say any accelerationist are bad faith?
I wont lift a finger to help dems until they stop it with the war crimes and embrace what used to be the core or the Democratic party platform. And the republicans are a completely lost cause and not worth addressing at all. So I yell at dems to do the right thing, and I promise them that until they do I sit on the couch. I dont ever vote for republicans. If thats bad faith to you, then I think your āfaithā is worthless slave-like drivel.
Anyone who genuinely equates republicans and democrats is an idiot working for MAGA. If you didnāt exist in bad faith youād know the parties arenāt the same, since their voting records are public. But youāre not engaging in good faith. If your position isnāt āprevent republicans from holding power by any means necessaryā then youāre an accelerationist. If you donāt believe in strategic voting and harm reduction and the spoiler effect then youāre engaging in bad faith and are an accelerationist. Thatās your whole account. Youāre a bad faith MAGAt bot actively working to elect republicans. Now call in your little bitch brigade or use your alts to upvote your position like itās the sane take, you fuckers do that shit constantly here.
edible_funk, your making room for people who are traitors to the old Democratic party platform and stand for nothing much unless its pro-grenocide, cashing checks from the wealthy, clamping down hard on free speech and whistle blowers, being soft on civil rights and soft on brutality of peaceful law abiding immigrants is exactly why the party is in the shitter. You and the idiot centrist leaders are the real problem here.
Harris lost voters off the base in every single demographic last election except a single point gain on college educated white males. Every single other subgroup were less supportive of her āplatformā-- a āplatformā the dem leaders continue to just double down on and not change at all. Notably, she lost ground arcoss black voters and female voters across the board. How can the party win doing the same old stuff that no one trusts them on now? What clearer signal do they need that they need to adapt and change? We have polls, we have election results. What the eff else do you need to see to conclude change is needed?
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/5309082-democrats-failed-to-recapture-diverse-voters/
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/11/19/us/politics/voter-turnout-election-trump-harris.html
https://democraticautopsy.org/how-democrats-lost-the-white-house/
https://ropercenter.cornell.edu/how-groups-voted-2024
Changing nothing is an obvious path to losing again. I think they need to change, you think they dont. Thats fine, Iām not responsible for your bad choices. If my arguing for the dems to get a platform that can win is me being a bad faith accelerationist, whatever the ff that means, then fine, Im a bad faith accelerationist. But youāre a centrist who will lead us to another loss. Iād rather be the accelerationist in that equation.
āprevent Republicans from holding power by any means necessaryā
Democrats have repeatedly funded MAGA candidates over the āextremeā and āunelectableā progressive and working class candidates. *And donāt forget about sabotaging Bernie! TWICE! How does this help the working class?
What benefits has your āstrategic votingā given the working class? What benefits or great programs did they deliver using this strategy? Are you going to mention Obama Care? The Republican program that forces you to pay for insurance, although the business canāt deny you? (Although they can use AI to deny everything for you, thatās ok)
Where in any of your stupid takes, do RESULTS HAPPEN?
Well check mine since I agree with him. People should look up what an illusion of choice is.
The Democrats have not GIVEN anything for 40 years. They have not restored anything that was cut by Republicans.
The only thing I cant stand more than MAGA are you pieces of crap that canāt admit to being maga.
You are all just capitalists, our country IS capitalism. What policy decisions are YOU complaining about?
Here is why I say voting for the Democrats is no longer a viable option:
Hakeem Jeffries is secretly meeting with Kushner. He also takes Thiel money and started an AI regulatory committee with 6 other Dems that take Thiel money
Tammy duckworth has stated that after midterms, NOONE should be impeached and Dems should work WITH the pedophilic traitors (that would be YOU, working with them)
Gavin Newsome wonāt even COMMIT TO TAXING BILLIONAIRES. Why on earth are you gonna run your mouth and say that he is going to hold anyone responsible and arrest anyone?
Thiel has a abandoned MAGA and is now funding Democrats
AIPAC DEMOCRATS ARE FUNDING AIPAC MAGA CANDIDATES OVER LEFT AND DSA CANDIDTAES.
Can you please explain to us how voting for Democrats will achieve anything for working class people?
No. All you will say is that the margins will be tight, we have to vote harder to get a majority, oh, the parliamentarian shot it down, oh the SCOTUS shut it down. We canāt elect progressives right now, they arenāt electable
Then admit youāre just as willing as MAGA to sacrifice all the people that maga intend to kill because your stance helps maga kill all those people. Congratulations, youāre a fascist accelerationist, not an ally, and you deserve whatever the republicans do to us because youāre actively working towards it.
No. I would want to see Americans free themselves of a fake two party system. It is revolution time and the only thing that pisses me off more than MAGA right now is every agency and institution that everyone allowed to fail that got us here.
Republican actions, followed by Democrat inaction, allowed FASCISM to coup America already.
There is no more America, we need something new and the people that got us here are not going to fix or stop it, or they would have
Condemā¦ā¦ fucking start arresting people!
The people who would be doing the arresting are the ones committing the atrocities.
Keith Ellisonās the AG. Last I checked, he was a Progressive Dem.
TWO Strongly worded Letters are ABOUT to Drop!
Democrats SLAM Mister Drumpf for illegal deportation of sitting US Congresswoman
A precursor to arresting all MAGAās political enemies and publicly executing them. But Iāve been told that canāt possibly happen because then thereād be riots and civil war.
Stupid country thinks their midterms are gonna be real š
Youāre gonna have to get off your fatass and do a lilā more than strike a checkbox to get rid of the fascism
There has to be at least one furrowed brow among them.
Schumerās glasses are hanging extra low.
