āJeffries didnāt even whip the vote,ā one critic said about the House minority leader, who wants to be speaker. āThis is why people want a stronger leader.ā
As House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries seeks to become speaker when Democrats retake Congress in January, critics questioned his leadership Tuesday after the Republican-led lower chamber effectively blocked a bid to impeach Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth by just seven votesāan outcome that may have been averted if more Democrats showed up to vote.
The 211-204 procedural vote effectively torpedoed Congressman Thomas Massieās attempt to impeach Hegseth by sending the outgoing Kentucky Republicanās resolution to the House Judiciary Committee, where it will likely gather dust during the remainder of the GOP-controlled congressional term.
This vote is doa in the senate because there are not enough republicans to flip. So I donāt understand why everyone is so bent up about this? Wait until January when we have a new congress. You guys either donāt care about this enough to know how our government works. Itās baffling.
Blue AIPAC puppets just doing AIPAC things.
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Proposal submitted by a republican
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Speaker is republican
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Impeachment now would be dumb because republitards would get to pick his replacementā¦
The left: FUCK DEMOCRATS REEEEEEEEEEEE
Absolute troglodytesā¦
Yea Iām annoyed that this didnāt pass because it shouldāve been a slam dunk for democrats and wouldāve only added to their momentum after the midterms. But I also donāt like how itās being presented as a sign of things to come. The newly elected congress isnāt even in session and everyoneās trying to pin it on them.
How would this passing add any āmomentumā or be considered a āslam dunkā?
I donāt have any faith in Jeffries, but if this plan of replacing Hegseth with stooge #12 immediately following impeachment was any kind of viable, why not trade him now anyway and preempt any hearings that should ve inevitable come January?
Iām confused by your line of thought. My complaint isnāt that the vote didnāt pass specifically, it was that someone who is presuming to take over leadership in 2027 didnāt make an effort to show leadership.
No matter if it was this Congress or the next one, the vote is mainly to feel out if Republicans are defecting from Trump at all. After the House passes an impeachment, the Senate has to vote 2/3rds to kick him out of office. All that effort isnāt going to happen before the new Congress is sworn in and if Republicans were looking to replace Hegseth before 2027, he is able to resign without being impeached.
Theyāre not looking to replace him, Dems are. But thatās impossible right now in a congress owned by republicans. Ofc youāre confused, this was a vote initiated by a republican and brought to the floor by a republican speaker, but youāre convinced that this is about Dem leadership.
So you think peopleās lives are just numbers on a screen? Is politics a game for you? Oh well we losing this time so might as well not try. PEOPLE ARE DYING. Israel is killing people every single day. Ice is killing people everyday. There are thousands of immigrants sitting in concentration camps. They are getting raped and tortured EVERY SINGLE DAY. This isnāt a fucking game. Itās not about winning and losing. We have an obligation to uphold justice and protect as many people as we possibly can.
Tell me you donāt know how the process works without telling me. The only person acting like itās a game is you. Iām arguing for effective action, you want pointless theatre. Go ahead and explain how that would be accomplished or just keep virtue signaling into the void.
Whatās crazy is you saw the last 2 years and are arguing about the process. You learned nothing under this dictatorship. The rules donāt mean anything. They do whatever they want. Only when democrats want to do something itās theater or about following processes. Our politicians, both left and right, have WAY more power than they let on. The red tape is is self imposed. When enough people get angry we can make massive change and if you ask me the American people need to see things being done. All beauocracy is theatre and maybe if the left actually put some theater for us more people would get mad and actually do something.
It is sad that you see giving up as a valid option. When the cards you want arenāt on the table you flip the fucking table. It sounds ridiculous but peopleās lives are at stake. Do you even care about all the people that will die because they will be priced out of their life saving medications? I guess fighting for healthcare is performative too.
Notice how you didnāt lay out the sequence of events you expected. You seem confused about the difference between congress and executive orders, you might want to check that out. Or you can just virtue signal into the void yet again.
still requires super majority in the Senate so he likely wonāt get ousted before or after new senators are seated (without 10+ Republican defections)
still, thereās enough representation to refer him to the Senate for prosecution and a strong inquiry to made
Yea, but after the new members are present itās more likely to get a supermajority and theyāll get to block any unhinged replacement after. Trying to do it now is just pointless.
1st stipulation still feels like a stretch but maybe youāre right. 2nd is plain wrong as there is always value in delivering justice.
it wouldnāt be pointless but could be materially worse if the replacement was indeed more unhinged. but thatās as hypothetical as a successful impeachment so either way itās speculative.
Sorry, what are you referring to when you say ādelivering justiceā if absolutely nothing would come out of an attempted impeachment right now? (This vote wasnāt a vote to impeach btw, and for that vote thereās no way republicans would bring it to the floor without their majority present).
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Why would Israel-funded politicians want to impeach the guy who killed Iranians?
This vote is doa in the senate. What exactly is it accomplishing? We have to wait until jan to unseat current republicans
Iāll drag him for being a corpo stooge. Stop being a sell-out, jeff!
Heās never going to stop. He made it this far being one.
Is Jeffries the new rotating villain?
Nah this is just what you are supposed to do after you vote for the lesser of two evils, you try and make the lesser even more lesser.
Itās why it was crazy for people to not vote for Kamala because the Democrats didnāt promise to stop genociding and in the process get the guy in who wants to genocide harder.
I know Iām digging my grave mentioning this here but, genocide is bad no matter who does it and more Palestinians were killed under Biden than under Trump. Not that the numbers themselves matter because any innocent Palestinian, or Iranian, or other person killed unjustifiably by Democrats is enough to take my vote away completely.
Also the facts from polling shows directly, if every single person who voted 3rd party because of democrats genocide and violence Kamala still wouldnāt have won. So itās not about supporting Trump by not supporting Kamala itās about not supporting Kamalaās support of Bidens style of Genocide thru Isreal.
I do 100% agree about the making lesser evils actually lesser, tho, thatās good shit
and, to add to that, their own internal polling showed them their support of the genocide could cost the election.
An election they themselves said was existential.
In their defense, Kamala only held 95% of their beliefs while the other guy promised a blank check to Netanyahuā¦so it was a really tough choice.
Not giving billions to wipe a people off the face of the earth might be 5% of your beliefs, ranks a bit higher for me. But thanks for telling us that.
So you either did nothing or picked a guy who gives Netanyahu everything he asks for š¤£. Real moral courage.
I voted for De La Cruz.
what you are supposed to do
What is?
Re read the full sentence, because it answers your question.
This is what people are talking about when we say āmedia literacy is deadā did you not read the rest of the sentence?
Jeffries and schumer need to go yesterMANYYEARSAGO, but Iām always cautious of Massieā¦ Seemingly on the right side of history on one thing with the ācourageā to call a pedophile a pedophile (in this one case at least) but he still has a lot of fucked up standard nutjob conservative ideas unfortunately.
Is anyone familiar enough with procedure here, did he need to call this when he did? Is there precedent for maybe working with dem leaders on timing, directly or through back channels, if he truly wanted this to pass? I donāt know enough about the other dems that missed here, any of them those āblue dogā dipshits?
Because otherwise, Massie wants to be the guy seen as stirring shit up, but without ever actually toppling the regime? Itās effective at taking wind out of the sails and giving the illusion that hegseth has support to folks paying half attention.
In any event, tie Haley Stevens to Nancy pelosi and throw them in the middle of the ocean. And let their only rescue support be chuck schumer as navigator on a coast guard ship piloted by Hakeem jefferies, 400 miles away.
Massie hates Trump. Heās Republican and I vehemently disagree with him on many issues, but heās not MAGA. Massie is the kind of politician I can disagree with without hating.
But there was also an opportunity for the Republicans here. If the impeachment had gone through and the Senate fast-tracked the trial and voted to remove him, the GOP Senators could have done some real damage control for their brand while punishing Trump for what he did to them AND getting to confirm the next SecDef.
AIPAC Shakur didnāt fight to impeach the guy who attacked Iran?
Canāt imagine why.
As few days as our Congress is in session, I donāt think it is too much to ask our Representatives to be present in or around the Capitol during business hours unless it is a life or death emergency. My employer wouldnāt keep me around if I was slacking off whenever I felt like it.
We should assume it is deliberate. There will be a lot of ārotating villainsā, āparliamentariansā and ābipartisanshipā in the coming congress. Any excuse to not get anything good passed.
All of it is bullshit. Many democrats want to protect the status quo in spite of the popular mandate for change.
Donāt give them the benefit of the doubt.
Fucking Hydra bullshit. Hate it.
We need to expose and get rid of all of them.
First order of business for whoever replaces that twat Jeffries in 2027, bring back remote/proxy voting. There are so many antiquated aspects to our government that desperately need updating. Remote voting is far from the most important, but it is the one that will help make the others a reality.
Not present: Nancy Pelosi (Calif.)
Made me laugh. Of course sheās on the list.
She was literally away receiving an award. Apparently the Meeting All Our Expectations Award.
Just another big āfuck youā on her way out. Useless cunt
Cunts are very useful.
Insider trading fucking centrists who piss away generational majorities to protect the rich? Not so much.
Get ready for another year of protesting even with dems in Congress.
Dems in Congress only means thereās a chance people will listen as opposed to before when there was no chance.
We are NOT out of the woods yet.
Brunch is NOT back on the menu, libs
Americans arenāt getting out of the woods. Republicans arenāt leaving the White House regardless of what happens.
Cool then the states can mobilize the Nat Guard who will effectively be independent due to no Commander and Chief to drag the profligates out. Hell thereās a good chance the military as a whole would ignore it for similar reasons of there is no chief, point is there are less than civil ways of removing Trump. If it causes war we can complete what Sherman failed to do, though I doubt weāll need to burn Atlanta this time 'round.
A few months ago comments like this were saying that the election was cancelledā¦ Turns out being a doomer doesnāt actually accomplish anything.
Iām very disappointed in my rep, Melanie Stansbury. She wonāt get my vote again. I wrote a message to her on the government contact form, saying as much. Fat lot of good that will do.
11 dem no show, i wonder who side are they even on.
Israelās. Most were at an Israeli fund raising event.
1 was recovering from surgery.
Jeffries didnāt even whip the vote. He told people to āvote their conscience,ā and 11 members of his caucus didnāt show up,ā writer Laura Bassett wrote on social media. āThis is why people want a stronger leader.ā
Jeffries is a piece of shit and shouldnāt be anywhere near any leadership positionā¦
But whipping votes is the job of the second in lineā¦
A job with the literal title āminority whipāā¦
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katherine_Clark
We canāt just focus on two popular names, we need to flush all the neoliberals out of leadership.
All that being said, votes just happen whenever with no warning. Itās way past time that these votes need to be scheduled in advance. Instead of āvote starts nowā at least āvote starts in 24 hour, exactly at ____ oāclockā
Once the main vote happens, there can be exceptions for follow ups, like ānext vote in one hourā
The current way shit is done is fucking stupid
All that being said, votes just happen whenever with no warning. Itās way past time that these votes need to be scheduled in advance. Instead of āvote starts nowā at least āvote starts in 24 hour, exactly at ____ oāclockā
Yeah, itās worth noting because the vote was called right after many Dems left for a break. And then when the call went out for all the Dems to scramble back, many were too far away and couldnāt make it before the vote was held.
Is that a thing that can happen? Here in Australia our parliament is designed in such a way that the chamber (House or Senate) is no more than three minutes walk from every parliamentarianās office and, when a vote is held where a formal division is required, they āring the bellsā (literally a ringing bell with alarms in every office) for exactly four minutes so every parliamentarian has the ability to make it to the chamber for the vote before they lock the doors. To design a parliament or congress building in any other way seems insane to me.
That sounds like a good system set up in good faith. The USA government was set up in very bad faith, by men who thought they could own people like cattle
Id personally argue that this isnāt an issue of bad faith and moreso an issue of being out of date and then being used in bad faith. We are talking about a system that was set up when the steam engine was still very new and the fastest way to move around was by boat and by horse, your kinda hard capped on how fast you can move at the time. A lot of the federal systems in particular make a lot of sense when you factor in just how old a lot of it is, looking at you electoral college.
We designed our system in the 1890s, learning from both the US and British systems, and others. The writers of our Constitution did a pretty amazing job, but they had the advantage of hindsight.
Itās honestly depressing how little thought people put into this stuff, not every rage addict is a trump supporter these days. Uninformed angry people are all over, and they really want to share opinions
Voting by our representatives should take place over the course of a week. They can use web cameras to discuss the topic, a publicly recorded version of Discord, and so on. I want my reps to drink coffee, talk out the issues, and be able to submit their vote without time pressure.
Our systems are rooted in being physically present, yet make mental presence optional.
A job with the literal title āminority whipāā¦
That is not the official title for that position, though itās commonly called that. The official title is Assistant Minority Leader, because the person in that position reports to the House Minority Leader. Katherine Clark shares responsibility for this failure, but the buck stops at the top, and thatās Jeffries. Itās literally part of Jeffriesā job to tell the Assistant which votes should get whipped. The Assistant doesnāt typically decide that on their own.
Thatās why majority leader is an important position. Because theyāre SUPPOSED to keep this kind of childish bullshit from happening. If you elect adults, this doesnāt happen. If you elect children (including those AARP age), you get the level of administration you voted for.
The childish bullshit is just politics
Mike Johnson made a strong move here. The vote never actually mattered. It was political theater. Zero chance Hegseth was even getting impeached and convicted
The whole thing was just getting Republicans on record defending him, but Johnson managed to make the plan explode on Democrats. Now everyone is pissed at Democrats over a vote that didnāt matter
No, childish bullshit is Republican politics. I wish people who thought this was what politics was for would either grow the fuck up or get the hell out of the room while the grownups talk, but here we are, with half of America thinking juvenile pranks and āFor the LULZā is just how the country works. Every Republican from Johnson down should be ashamed, but we already know they donāt have the capacity for that. Jefferies failure to keep his team on side in the lame duck sessions is a failure of leadership. Republicans having no dignity or morals isnāt news anymore.
This was great strategy on the part of Massie to support the incoming wave of progressives,
Yep. This is making a great case for replacing current congressional leadership with new blood.
