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From the comments:
A large part of the problem is, as noted, quite how long Chromium takes to compile: three and a half hours on my beefy machine.
15 minutes for libreoffice, and FWIW 10 minutes for firefox
Why is Chromium so extremely slow to build? It’s not like Chromium has 10x the features of Firefox.
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Damn, I remember when I ran Gentoo for a while in ~2010 or so, all three of those took multiple hours to build. And that was on a Q6600 with 2GB of RAM, which was I think a reasonable spec machine for the time.
Glad LibreOffice and Firefox have got the times down since then.
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I have my build logs going back to 2009. Up until 2012 the Chromium build times were quite alright, under 30 minutes, more or less on par with Firefox. It has started to go off the rails after 2019 when it was still possible to build it under 2 hours on modest hardware. By the end of 2020 it was almost 10 hours and eventually 18 hours. Firefox currently builds in 90 minutes on the same hardware.
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Lots of C++ header files if memory serves me right, that all have a habit of depending on each other (meaning incremental compilation/cached compilation can break rather easily), which was IIRC compounded by use of templates, which are used to create even more header files.
C++ headers have
O(n^2)loading complexity due to some weird things in the specification of the language, so the more you have, the messier it gets.It’s said that you ship your org chart, and Chromium is no exception. It’s just not a problem for Google since their computer scale is “yes”, not “a customer grade laptop”.
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It is funny how C++ programmers have been recruited and asked about complexity and big-O notation and then they end up with a build system that is wholly against the gospel.
I know that it is a result of years of development not necessarily a fault of any regular dev, an amalgam of decisions from the long time ago and yada yada, but it doesn’t make it less funny.
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Firefox definitely builds quicker, but 10 minutes seems abnormally fast. 64 threads at -j24 on my POWER9 was around 20 minutes.
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Very informative article. Ridiculous behaviour from that one user, glad the maintainer put his mental first and said fuck it.
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Agreed, that kind of language is unacceptable when one is talking to a volunteer and additionally one is not willing to contribute in any way.
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not willing to contribute in any way
It seems to me (from the article) that that user tried to contribute, but only in a way that was not up to the standards of the project. “in any way” seems too harsh.
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Well, I guess in any way may be too harsh. I should have said perhaps in any meaningful way :P Complaining about how things are not being done properly (by people who are working for free) is hardly a worthy contribution.
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Complaining … is hardly a worthy contribution.
I wasn’t thinking of the complaining as a contribution. (I suppose it could be seen as a negative contribution, an anti-contribution.) The inadequate contribution I meant was
Žilka … had attached an ebuild for a newer version of Chromium
James … said … it’s more likely to be last-rited if nobody is interested in handling it in the way these things have to be done (which goes beyond just attaching ebuilds).
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